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  1. Bas

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    All true.

    So the original point remains: Ferrari had the fastest car but couldn't capitalize. Max did capitalize on Ferrari's many mistakes, but this didn't make his car any more dominant. That only came after TD39.
     
  2. ktu

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    Ferrari had fastest car in qualifying or race pace?
     
  3. Bas

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    both
     
  4. ktu

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    Ferrari outsmarted Newey for a few races and then somehow failed, that doesn't sound right.
     
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  6. ktu

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    Well said. Button is on it.
     
  7. Bas

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    "More fearful of Max in the same car".

    Wasn't fearful of Lewis...

    He knows.
     
  8. ktu

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    "Because maybe the car is built around Max"
    Yeah he knows.
     
  9. SS454

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    I never said Ferrari had a dominant car. I said they had the best car MOST of the first 12 races. It's not coulda woulda shoulda on a list of miracles. Ferrari were winning the race! And qualifying is relevant in racing, and is the only fair way of seeing how outright fast a car is.

    So since Red Bull was NOT the fastest car, and was NOT fast enough to win most of the races, let alone dominate them... we can't exactly call the RB18 dominant for 2022. Go back to my original post and you will see I said it became dominant at the end, but once again that doesn't make it dominant for the entire season.
     
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  10. ktu

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    What part did he say he wasn't fearful of Sir Lewis Hamilton?
     
  11. SS454

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    I can only expect as much from you. Didn't do research at all.
    Youngest Race winner - record
    15 race wins in a season - record

    You Lewis fans that want to call a car that is 2nd fastest for half a year a dominant car are out of your minds.

    Also maybe try coming up with something else to say because nobody cares about Lewis having A dominant car. Everyone knows career wins, poles, and championships is because he had dominant cars for 8 years! See the difference?
     
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  12. absostone

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    And dominant team
     
  13. ktu

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    Man that's what you came up with? I'll give you the youngest winner record. But you said the RB was dominant second half of the season which helped Max get 15 wins. Again you said it was dominant.
    There are multiple records Hamilton broke in his debut season, without a dominant car. Max is doing nothing new.
     
  14. ktu

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    You think RB team is dominant?
     
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    George Russell only won because had a dominant car. Would you agree or not?
     
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  16. ktu

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    No. The Merc was nowhere near dominant, what are you saying?
     
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    You guys seem to suggest that duration of dominance is irrelevant. Well the Mercedes car was dominant for 1 race in 2022. So by your own standards it must be a dominant car.
     
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  18. ktu

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    Noooooo...nooooo NO man! Stop embarrassing yourself. Lol. At no point 2022 was the Merc dominant bro. Lol. Take a break and come back tomorrow man.
     
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    Did you even watch the season? Brazil 2022. Mercedes were the class of the field
     
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  20. Terra

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    This is bordering on P&R fodder. Are you saying LH only made it to F1 because he’s part-Black? Something along the lines of Ron Dennis supported and gave him a chance in the first place because of some self-imposed “affirmative action” impulse?
     
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  21. werewolf

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    First, you might want to read the post I was responding to (#7836), and then get back to us.
    Second, do you equate "woke" to a particular skin color? That's extremely offensive.
    Finally, why wouldn't Hamilton fans (like yourself) wear the "woke" moniker proudly?
     
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  22. Terra

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    Okay, then please tell us what you meant when you said, “Hamilton, by contrast, is a woke champion?”

    For the avoidance of doubt or misinterpretation, please explain then what you mean by “woke champion.”
     
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    #7923 werewolf, Sep 8, 2023
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    Please read post #7836 (by SS454), as I asked, and I'm sure you'll be able to understand. Then, please tell us why you seem to consider the "woke" moniker so offensive (as I also asked), when you should be embracing it.

    And yes, I fully understand that you're under no obligation to answer my questions ... as I am under no obligation to answer yours.
     
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    #7924 Terra, Sep 9, 2023
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    I see the term “woke” bandied about much lately. I genuinely don’t even know what that term actually means!

    That’s why I posited the question to you of what do you mean by a “woke champion.”

    In your statement, “The other names you mentioned ... Schumacher, Senna, Prost, et al ... were true champions. Hamilton, by contrast, is a woke champion,” does the “wokeness” refer to LH’s various public comments/pronouncements in the realm of Social Justice matters? Or is your use of the “woke” vernacular just your way of saying those three other drivers were more deserving champions than LH? Or those three didn’t benefit from as good equipment back in their respective days as LH has? Or all three were/are simply better people than LH?

    Or is “woke champion” code for something else entirely?

    You’ve lost me here.
     
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    #7925 werewolf, Sep 9, 2023
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    Here are some elements of "woke" as I use the term (not an exhaustive list, but all that's warranted for now): coddled, entitled, gifted opportunities and awards based on some perceived social injustice (real or imagined), rather than achieving opportunities and awards based on merit or accomplishment. By "woke champion" i also mean a "champion of the woke" ... a champion or spokesperson for those who feel slighted, victimized or disadvantaged based on some perceived social injustice (real or imagined, personal or generic, in the present or distant past). As i've written, i would suspect most fans of Hamilton would proudly consider themselves to be "woke". All, entirely consistent with post #7836 ... which you still haven't acknowledged.

    MY TURN: You seem to scour Fchat and only respond to posts where you detect a hint of racism (or, most frequently respond to such posts). Do you consider yourself the "racism police" of Fchat? If so, why?
     
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