Since we’ve veered a little into other areas- the sad conclusion is this is really a slow moving stealth war on private car ownership. Its about more than emissions. The batteries are a way for the companies to justify higher prices, and more profits. Thus pricing people out. Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat
Uuummm … there actually WILL be a VS in. Both coupe and aperta derivatives. Also, I doubt they will call the car “V12.” I believe the car will likely have a name derived from one of the following 4 categories: 1. Historical prior Ferrari remodel ( like Superfast ) 2. A place in Italy ( Like Fiorano ) 3. An Italian name of a quality ( a word similar to Essenza or the like ) 4. An elegant Italian word for farewell ( like Tributo )
Maserati have already used the Italian word for lightning - Folgore - for their EV variants of the Grecale, Gran Turismo and MC20.
Haha! Seriously. I know there have been many instances of ‘boy cried wolf’ when it comes to last production V12 Ferrari, but sadly, it seems like the F167 is actually going to be the last one. Like for real.
I don't think it's going to be the last Ferrari car powered by a 12 cylinder ICE engine (We'll probably see some form of SP, icona, Halo cars, small series and VS's) , but I fully agree with you, it's very probably the last regular production, unassisted , naturally aspirated V12 powered Ferrari car
The Standard editions of the F167 won't be launched till around mid 2024 and people won't start receiving them till 2025. After that there will be no new V12 models. Day said 3 models plus an Icona. You are talking about 5 models. Also unless the VS is already designed and is in/nearing final development, which means it wont have the benefit of newer tech and more development time that the other VS have had. I can't see any other way they could do it.... Which would make it not really a VS model just an up spec model. Meaning the VS is basic like an iPhone 15 Max with the standard F167 being the iPhone 15 That will piss off allot of people.
To be very clear, the V 12 will not pass the Euro 7 standard for non-homologated models before this one, and there are no plans to develop or build a new V12. 167 and its derivatives will be in production at least until 2030 if possible. The construction of a new V12 post 2030, with the standards and the door closed to the thermal car in 2035 seems to me highly unenvisagable, especially since the current direction is not there for that, on the contrary even ...
People will say the 167 is the last V12 so pony up the big dollars to get one. But if you buy into that just talk to the 812GTS people! And 2030 (at least) is 7 more years of production which is at least twice as long as people keep new ones. The myth continues and everyone buys into it. The last one is the last one actually built which is at least 7 years from now. All the rest are depreciating used cars.
Ferrari will ride “the last of” into the sunset . Buyers beware. Buy it if you like it not because it was the supposed last of car Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I believe that the successor will have hybrid, for the sole reason of being able to achieve the performance values. There is no better alternative than the combination with hybrid, as you can see with the Valkyrie or 296. I think they will have the 812 Competizione engine or maybe the SP3 + 60-70 hp from electric motor. Hopefully the same weight as the 812 Competizione, then there is a lot possible with the car.
a 'mild hybrid' is possible but will not yield significant increase in power (like the Purosangue) an actual hybrid such as the SF90/296/LaF is, at this time, completely impossible because not a single test mule has presented electric warning symbols which are required when electric voltage of 60V or higher is present and it seems too late for hybrid to be added now to the drivetrain
Is your source a Ferrari factory insider? If not, please read further back in this thread where you will see it stated by a factory insider that 167 will be naturally aspirated only. And I’m no expert in these matters but others have also pointed out that the test mules don’t carry any high voltage warning labels.
