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  1. day355

    day355 F1 Rookie

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    Thinking rather aircraft engine type competizione...
     
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  3. jpalmito

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    New engine ?
     
  4. Newjoint

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    Or maybe a new type of GPF that doesn’t alter the sound?


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  5. JTSE30

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    That is completely impossible.

    Any GPF will alter the sound as it necessarily must because of the reason it exists, the design is to capture / trap fine particulate with an intense mesh, shorter sound wavelengths will be most impacted/removed by such a device.

    Some recent references:

    https://www.nissan.co.uk/owners/nissan-ownership/owners-manuals/manuals.html/iom/qashqaiepower/hj12/e0/2023/gasoline-particulate-filter-gpf-where-fitted-1.shtml

    https://www.fi-exhaust.com/web/news/news-detail.jsp?np_no=NP1679990319167&lang=en

    The OEM exhaust system is designed to comply with increasingly stringent environmental regulations and restrictions. In addition to the catalytic converter that was originally present, there are now more components such as OPF/GPF (Gasoline Particulate Filter) to further control emissions. However, these additions often restrict the airflow, affecting the driver's direct experience and the overall enjoyment of the vehicle. That's why OPF/GPF is colloquially referred to as the "sound killer."

    https://www.ecufilesperformance.com/gpf-removal/
     
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  6. JTSE30

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    Quite unlikely, just the 812C updates + some more fine tuning of the exhaust and "hot tube" to the enhance the "in-cabin" experience. I am sure the sound engineering has found ways to adjust/compensate for the additional particulate matter demands and drive-by 'sound emissions' required by EU regulations.
     
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  7. day355

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    It is already the best engine in the world of large series...
    If the front fits like the competizione, it will be a better car as a whole.
     
  8. Solid State

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    Exactly. It is quite noticeable and a dead give-away. Sounds like a high reving engine in a can. Folks are getting used to this so losing perspective. At least its better than nothing but not the unfiltered highs. Like an audio equalizer with the higher frequencies muted.
     
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  9. JTSE30

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    Or burned out tweeters in your speakers, no brightness to the sound, just low tones and whatever else remains...
     
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  10. Ferrari 308 GTB

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    Any chance of an F167 replacement ...N/A V12? Jumping the gun a little .
     
  11. ingegnere

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  12. Newjoint

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    The sad fact is the EU is outlawing car noise. Even if there was a way writhe GPF- the noise constraints are being tightened- enter the EV- the silent ICE killer!


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    ”No highs, no lows. Must be a Bose……..”


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  14. Forza Scuderia

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    #4564 Forza Scuderia, Sep 24, 2023
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    That’s a good looking concept! Here’s a thought … what if those outriggers AREN’T fake? Would love to see a rendering of that scenario… They COULD be part of a very low and subtle F40 type integrated wing …
     
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  15. ohno

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    #4565 ohno, Sep 24, 2023
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    Very well observed, ingegnere! If you take a closer look at this detail, you can see that these outriggers could be some kind of standing comb (probably a 3D printer part). In the detailed photo on the left side, this plastic comb is already damaged or bent. I believe that there is room for two separate line lights under the discreet nolder because the red light line is clearly broken.
    I also think that the F167 could be presented this year. Four models are to be presented in 2023, but with the Roma Spider and the SF90 XX Stradale and Spider we only have three models. Next year it will be the the F250 (LaFerrari successor) and the Icona SP4. And it would not be wise to present three benchmarks (F167, F250 and Icona SP4) in one year. And the F167 is at the end of its development. So we should see or hear something official in october or november this year. Only my guess...
     

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  16. Kmaaq

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    I have my guess on the 296 Challenge this year.
     
  17. George330

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    Hard to see SP4 and F250 presented in the same year… I have no knowledge of Ferrari plans, but given that the F250 will probably be Q4 2024, I can’t see how they would do another huge launch before that (or two in the same quarter)…especially if the SP4 is what I think it is.
    F167 on the other hand could well be in the same year as F250. The two cars are very far apart in terms of importance and audience. I am not trying to belittle the F167 which is an exciting new car, I m just saying there is no marketing conflict in presenting both in 2024
    Lets see what happens…My guess is F250 and F167 in 2024, SP4 in 2025




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  18. jpalmito

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    What is your guess about SP4 as a concept ?
     
  19. savio.79

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    Or it may be simply covered by the camouflage wrap
     
  20. F12B88

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    It better be or I will be upset. Send Ferrari a 30 day cease and desist letter :D:D:D
     
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  21. 350MH83

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    Haha not a chance for a "newly developed V12". Unless you mean different lifters and headers or things like that, as they are updated for each new V12. But beside that, this engine will 100% be on the same design than the current V12 we can find in the Lusso, 812, 812C, Purosangue.
     
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  22. ANOpax

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    It seems to me that outrigger vents are either a new concept in dissipating the gearbox heat or else they are simply there to allow heat from other vents in the bodywork to escape from under the heavy (and soft) camouflage panels which would otherwise obstruct the air flow.
     
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  23. ab08

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    Looking at the spy photos of the definitive car, even in disguise, it is possible to notice that the windshield is apparently larger and more vertical than on the F12/812, which could indicate a lower hood and a more open field of view.
    Something similar happened in the transition from the F430 to the 458.
     
  24. Forza Scuderia

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    If correct this would be a welcome evolution. The 812 did create the visual impression of piloting a large boat with the perceived length of its snout from the driver seat
     
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  25. Forza Scuderia

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    You have to love Ferrari. They could have just mailed it in with this car but they’re going all out. The reason the F167 will be epic in my prediction is because they will use the Purosangue multimatic suspension to make the ride more supple and simultaneously by having this technology it will enable them to shorten the wheelbase and tilt the platform toward more agility like the 296!
     
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