Rock 'n Stroll . . . The Stroller Thread.

I'm not advocating for Perez to stay on either. Where's the ''hatred'' label for Perez?

How many of them have spend the last 7 years being solidly beaten, and the only driver they barely beat was another very lowly ranked paydriver who was a rookie?

 

Lawrence Stroll wants to make AMRF1 a championship winning team and he's doing it financially with a new HQ and added personnel. It's not happening with his son as a driver for the team.

@tifosi12 Most of the drivers you mentioned in your post PROGRESSED to top teams. Lance doesn't progress in F1. He remains stagnant and that is the problem everyone has when criticizing Lance Stroll. This is F1 and it all about performance sorry to say. This isn't some hobby that some rich kid lulls around in an F1 car. How do you think Alonso feels getting all those points for the team only to realize it's all for not because his other teammate has his seat for life and doesn't have to worry about getting fired. (I get it, if Alonso doesn't like it then he should quit BUT that's the conundrum or paradox with Lawrence Stroll wanting to make AMRF1 a championship winning team....it won't happen with his son.)

@william Yes, 3/4 of the grid won't be champions but at least they are fighting for their seat in F1 unlike Stroll whom doesn't have to fight for his seat. Lance Stroll seat is guaranteed no matter how he looks against a better and faster team-mate.

Lawrence Stroll can spend all the money he has on AMRF1 and it won't make any difference as long as his son is a driver.

 

There is a difference then between these drivers and Lance Stroll yes?

 

It's HIS money, not yours !!!

 

Absolutely, and it's also his son that will be his ultimate downfall from making AMRF1 a winning team and hurt him financially....to some extent.

 

No idea, and that's not the point !!!

What I object to, is for armchair critics to decide who should not be in F1, and getting all hyped up when their wishes are not granted.

If Lawrence Stroll wants to keep his son in his team for 7, 10, or 20 years, that's his business.. If you don't like it, ignore it !

There is no rule that I know in F1 that say you must sack a driver who always comes after his team mate, even after 7 years.

If there is, quote it. Otherwise accept it as another fact of life ! The FIA isn't bothered about it, why should you?

 

Have you seen Lawrence Strolls appearance in the media with regards to AMRF1 and what he states and wants to do with the team? It's a far cry from reality if you ask me.

(This may come as a surprise to you but I wish him all the success in the world.)

 

PR talks. I am not gullible enough to fall for that crap.

 

Glad you said that.....niether are his investors and-or sponsors over time.

 

Alonso feels just fine. At least in the first half of the season when the car was more competitive. He couldn't care less what his #2 is doing. He is happy not to have to wonder whether he gets differential treatment as when he was paired with Hamilton at McLaren. A driver rarely thinks about the WCC. Same goes for me, couldn't give a hoot about who wins the WCC.

That is blatantly ignorant of how F1 works. All the AM team needs is to design the best car and they will win the Championship with Alonso. You completely overrate the importance of the second driver. There have been many cases in the long history of F1 where the WDC winner had a mediocre #2 and they were just fine. In fact the Prost/Senna duell showed that it's not necessarily in the team's best interest to have two top drivers at the same time.

 

Not when the field is this tight with competitive drivers and competitive cars.....at least currently.

 

These days, public persons have to be politically correct and hypocritical to please the media.

Lawrence Stroll's presentation when he introduced his company is an example .of that.

One cannot be authentic and sincere anymore, but has to gloss and sugar-coat everything said.

We are living in a very woke society where insincerity triumphs.

 

Who says there has to be a rule in place?

Papa Stroll paraded his son around like he was the best thing ever. So did some of his supporters.

7 years later, we are still waiting.

This year I was told I was being served crow for not seeing the light. I am still waiting.

Frankly speaking I find the situation more hilarious than anything.

 

Absolutely !! Who remembers Trevor Taylor and Peter Arundell, or John Miles ?

The first 2 were Jim Clark team mates, the third one Jochen Rindt's the years they won WDCs, and they scored NO POINT these years !!!

 

Yes....but currently we have:

1) Norris & Piastri
2) Lewis & Russell
3) Max and Checo(??...maybe) or Ricciardo(?)
4) Leclerc & Sainz

Going into 2024.

 

If they don't do anything wrong by the rules, and only participate in the sport, I cannot see where the problem is.

Father and son had both the means to get into F1, and they seized the opportunity. Nothing wrong with that.

The opinion advanced that Lance is blocking a seat, preventing a young driver to burst into F1 is also silly.

There are thousands of ambitious young drivers waiting in the wings and believing they are WDC material.

And Lance would be the cork in the bottleneck preventing that, all on his own ? Don't make me laugh !!

 

There's a flip side to that coin-->Lance blocking a seat and another F1 driver keeping up with Alonso, possibly beating Alonso in points, thereby the team moves up in points and possibly the new driver gets out of AMRF1 and moves to a higher seat like RedBull or Mercedes.

 

Your imagination is playing tricks with you.

 

I mentioned these drivers to illustrate that a team doesn't need a strong #2 to have its lead driver winning the title.

I even explained to you how disadvantagous it could be to win the WCC, in terms of development penalty for the following year.

 

Again you are completely overestimating the value of a #2 driver. To put it differently: You could put a monkey in the second Red Bull and Max would still be champion. It's the super car with the super driver that wins WDCs. A good sidekick can be helpful when it gets super close but the Max/RB combo is so light years ahead of everybody it wouldn't make no difference.

To put it differently:
If the RB were as bad as the AM and the AM were as good as the RB then Alonso would be leading the WDC and not Max. And it wouldn't matter who the second driver is either in the RB or the AM.

I love Max and adore his talents but he (like every other top driver) has a limit. He cannot perform constant miracles with a mediocre car. As evidenced for instance by Hamilton in a mid field MB. Suddenly the WDC streak was over.

PS: No matter how much beating Lance gets on here, I would bet that if he had a RB at his disposal he would score points and some podiums and help his team to secure the WCC. He ain't great but he can drive.

 

That's so weird to me. Why on earth would anyone get all excited about watching talentless losers just because they are rich? I'd be embarrassed to admit to the world that I bow down to a trust fund baby because he bought his way through life, through his dad's money to boot.

 

He doesn't, but he like to look diferent....

 

I guess you haven't heard, but in F1 there are 10 teams competing, not just 1. I'm quite sure all the teams will openly tell you their standings in the WCC is very important to them. Having both drivers performing is imperative to most teams.

Max is having the best individual season in F1 history and you take that as precedent. How many times in history has one drivers points been enough to secure the WCC for the team?

Mercedes a mid field car? It was the 3rd best car in 2022. While rarely the 2nd best during a weekend in 2023, it's been consistent enough to be arguably the 2nd best overall car this season.

 

Cognizant no longer a sponsor ?
Aramco new owner for $800 Mil ?