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2023 US GP: Post Race Analysis

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  1. SS454

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    A better race than perhaps many believe. A full race where we didn't know who the winner was going to be. That's fantastic. There remains a serious problem with drivers pushing other drivers off the track, if only F1 could get their heads around this.

    Red Bull Racing had a hard fought victory from Max Verstappen. He seems to get a little rattled on the Sprint weekends when he can't optimize this setup. In general the car wasn't dominant like it has been in the past. The interaction between MV and his race engineer was interesting. Perez had a better race but was still only able to get up to 5th.

    Mercedes had an exceptional race car, particularly with Lewis. He really is a master of COTA. The Medium - Hard - Medium felt like the best strategy and it worked great for Lewis. George Russell struggled all weekend. A post quali penalty didn't help his race any, but he seemed to have good pace in the race. Proof the Mercedes was a great race car, perhaps the car of the field when you consider Perez's good day was still slower than George.

    McLaren had moments of thinking a win could be possible, but the car didn't look good on Hard tires at all. The truth is the Mercedes and Max were simply just a little bit quicker too. So all in all a good day for Lando. Piastri had bad luck, but that's racing.

    Ferrari had poor tire deg in the Sprint race, so opted to heavily conserve tires in the Grand Prix. The outright pace was there, Sainz had some very fast laps when he was able to push. His 2 stop strategy was right call, and Carlos drove a beautiful race to maximize points. Leclerc. Well the strategy clowns at Ferrari destroyed him once again. If you have terrible tire deg, why go for a 1 stop? Makes no sense. They would have been better to risk a 3 stop strategy and utilize the pace that was in the car vs playing the long game. Also, the fact Ferrari continue to select plans B, C, D through G shows how they nearly always get the optimal strategy wrong. They do not know what they are doing!

    Alpine now look like the 5th best team. Gasly got the best points he could. Ocon likely would have been a position ahead or a position behind if he didn't have his contact.

    Aston Martin brought a supposed upgrade that either failed, or the team didn't have time to set the car up for the new part. Alonso opted to revert back to the old spec and started from the pitlane. He was having one of the drives of the race, working his way well into the points. Then ironically the old floor gave up and forced a DNF. Lance Stroll, give him some credit. He worked his way up from a poor grid spot up into points. Hopefully they collected good data with the new floor.

    AlphaTauri have improved their car tremendously over the last few weeks. Now in positions to scoop a point here and there. Yuki managed to grab 10th as well as the fastest lap. Great job for him. What on earth has happened to Ricciardo's ability to drive. At one time was able to crush the world champion, and now is performing worse than Lawson did and can't beat Yuki.

    Williams was hoping for a good showing on US soil. Albon did so so, though he really has an issue with track limits this season. Logan had perhaps his best race. He could see his teammate by the end of the race, which is much better than being 30-60 seconds behind.

    Haas brought some big updates and it remains horrendous in race pace. They started from the pits, perhaps with new PU's? It's baffling how a car that has top 10 pace at times can be so poor in the race.

    Alfa Romeo, another Ferrari engine team with poor race pace. It seems unlikely it's all down to tire wear between the 3 Ferrari powered teams. Bottas was faster in the race than Zhou, but it meant nothing.

    Driver of the Day: Lewis Hamilton. Was a star all weekend, was in a different league compared to Russell. Nearly got up there to challenge for the lead.
     
  2. werewolf

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    #2 werewolf, Oct 22, 2023
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    Hamilton drove a great race today. I do think the Mercedes tire strategy was a bit off, early ... they held on to the one-stop plan for too long, it seemed, and kept Hamilton out a few too many laps during the first stint. But Hamilton adapted well.

    Given Verstappen's brake problem, another couple laps would have allowed Hamilton a long-absent win :)

    ALSO: I'm with you on the damn rules :mad: Do you have to leave room, on-track, for an alongside driver, or no? Does the answer depend on what lap you're on? Does the answer depend on who's driving? Does the answer include turn one at COTA (which every driver still early-apexes)? Inquiring minds wanna know ...
     
  3. Bas

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    Hold that thought as we may have just avoided the servers burning down level event.
     
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    Mercedes strategy messed up Hamilton from winning by keeping him out too long while Max did the undercut.
     
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  5. Need4Spd

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    Ferrari starts on pole, gets tire strategy wrong, fails to podium. Sad.


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    exactly what you describe, seems to be written in the Ferrari playbook now
     
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    They also lack race pace. They qualify great but they can't race given the track layout.
     
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    Love Danny ric but he is past his sell by date. He and vettle stayed in the sport too long and damaged their brand. I'm sure rossberg still had plenty of race in him but he knew the optimum time to step away and years later still the only driver to beat 7x champ Lewis to a WDC in the same car.

    Albon! Love him too but when he was a kid didn't he learn to color inside the lines???
     
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    Ric’s brand is a cheesy smile. he’s never been a top level driver IMO
     
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    and here i tried sooooo hard to be complimentary to Hamilton :(
     
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    So in essence it's POSSIBLE Mercedes lowered Hamiltons car instead of Russell's car just to make Hamilton look good?
     
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    Yes it's possible that only one car got lowered but doubtful they would only do it to one car. Since Russell's car wasn't checked we'll probably never know.
     
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    How about Russell's pace compared to Hamilton's pace in the race? Is that evidence enough? Or not really?
     
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    “During the hearing the teams acknowledged that the measurement performed by the FIA Technical Team was correct and stated that the high wear on the skid pads was probably a result of the unique combination of the bumpy track and the Sprint race schedule that minimized the time to set up and check the car before the race,” read the stewards’ report."

    Add another reason to hate sprint weekends.
     
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    OMG!

    There are memes denigrating Charles LeClerc's poles to wins ratio. There is no clearer example of what a great driver LeCelrc is than to get pole position, finish 6th, and then get disqualified!!! The car performance sucked! The tire analysis sucked! The strategy sucked! The car sucked! TOTAL disarray! A driver showed up, put a piece of **** on pole and then what did the team do??? Why does he do so well on sprint weekends? It's because he is an amazing driver! The less time there is to optimize emphasizes driver skill!

    I don't think we'll ever get to find out if Charles can be a good or great racer at Ferrari... How is this not embarrassing??

    The most denigrated driver in all of F1 - Lance Stroll. I am not a professional F1 driver, but in the grand scheme of things, IF I could be behind Fernando Alonso and only .5sec behind in qually, I would be pretty freaking happy!!!!
    On the other hand, his lack of race performance is really costing his team positions in the championship. Lawrence (father) needs to decide if this is about providing his son an F1 drive or being a successful racing team. Its his choice... They were actually the most bang for the buck team in F1. I don't know what they are now.
     
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  17. Edward 96GTS

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    Max’s start where he drove another car off the track was unsportsman like conduct and deserved disqualification.
    agree with penalties for all drivers that drive cars off track.
     
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    Would be interesting to see a summary of total time in pits by team for each race. Seems that RB (and Mclaren, and other teams) is typically in the low to mid 2s, while Merc is about a second slower.
    Hard to fathom how a 3 second pit stop is slow but considering how difficult it is to make up a second on track, especially on Max, it makes Lewis and George's job that much harder.
     
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    From the BBC F1 website:

    “Russell's car was not checked by the scrutineers, incidentally, and nor was that of Leclerc's team-mate Carlos Sainz. The way FIA scrutineering works is that cars are checked at random. If a transgression is found, that does not mean that the other car in the team is then checked as well.”
     
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    Leclerc said he would have done the same move Max did at the start.
     
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    Watch from Leclerc's onboard. Leclerc was behind Max the whole time.
     
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  22. Edward 96GTS

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    looked as if CL had to enter pit exit lane?
     
  23. Bas

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    but he did that on his own regard in an attempt to overtake. He wasn't forced there.
     
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    Hummmm, 6 of one and half a dozen of the other on that move.
    Verstappen drifted left to prevent an overtaking attempt from Leclerc.
    Still behind, Leclerc had to brake or go off track. That's what we saw on the footage.
    Borderline dirty, I would say, but Leclerc don't seem to hold grudges.
     
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