Haha ok I assume based on design language between the two cars. Let me ask you then a slightly more difficult question what would you choose between F167 and the TdF?
This all depends on if you are driving from London to Monte Carlo or doing a track day at Spa. But for sure, I would prefer a proper GT for proper GT duties.
Difficult question because I really like the TDF which remains a modern interpretation of the 250 GTO, for me...
I think that this question is hard as now the target is actually moving with many manufacturers pushing back on all electric and with the introduction of synthetic net neutral fuels which may enable manufactures to pick up credits. 18 months ago this was a fixed line, however the last 6 months it has been quite refreshing for a petrol head like myself..
it seems that the front axle of the 167 is even more glued than that of the Competizione... and I think, having done a short run on the heights of Monaco, that the Competizione is the best front end that exists on a front centre !
I think the Comp is a wonderful drive. A bit easier than the TDF and sometimes that’s just a very good thing. In some ways I don’t think there is a better drive in the Ferrari stable except for the hypers. Comp also looks wonderful although if someone wants to say the TDF looks ‘even more wonderful’ that’s a very legitimate view. A modern day 250 GTO is probably a good description of the TDF. There is something very special about the Comp though, including its appearance. So many people have told me it’s easily their favourite car to look at in our garage - including LaF, everything. I love the SF90’s and they drive brilliantly, in all logical ways better - balance, cornering, braking, torque, performance, grip. But that front engined format in a Ferrari, with a V12 in there. There’s just something about it that remains unequalled in all of the automotive world. It’s both nostalgic and exciting, fun and function, all at the same time. Day’s description of F167 definitely has everyone waiting with bated breath. Its unveiling will be a historic moment (a heavy word but certainly merited).
167 will use (I assume, no inside knowledge) the PS dampers, so anyone who has driven the PS knows what wonders it does, hence not difficult to imagine that the 167 sits better on the road than the 167
Are we sure that the slow down from EV is because of synthetic fuel (ridiculously expensive) or is it the realization that EV is not quite ready for prime time? Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
True EVs are decades away.... Heavy, short ranged, charge times, size, Batt life etc so many issues. There is not even enough raw materials to make the batteries to get them into everyone's drive way. The wrong people as always are in power, pushing the wrong things to maintain there control and feed there greed
Euro 7 is cancelled and imo that‘s because of many reasons. A lot of people working und automotive industry had been worried because of this transformation process. Losing jobs, economic leadership etc… Then there is a need for more electricity. All the energy Diesel and Benzin delivered gets replaced by electricity. In Germany we shut down all radioactive power stations and heat pump heatings for buildings are more commonly now than russian gas. The complete power grid has to be upgraded and millions of charging stations should be installed - that won‘t happen within the next ten years.
Looking further at what Aston did as well with the Vantage. They only released a V12 variant as a swan song and in very limited numbers This is what I think Ferrari will do : the F167 will be released with either v6 tt hybrid or v8 tt hybrid while thr v12 production lines is used by the PS, 812 gts, sp3, Comp for a few more years. Ferrari will then release a convertible F167 with the same engine. Then a VS for both coupe and convertible on thr v6/v8 tt hybrid. Similar to what Aston did on thr vantage the will release in a couple of years a swan song very limited run using the V12 and after that a very limited VS version on that V12 both reserved for the top clients and potentially even those that had bought the earlier non v12 variant to maximise those sales. This will help Ferrari maximise the V12 currently with the PS and gts for a few more years, maximise revenue on the F167 ( non v12) and charge a ton on the limited run v12 down the road - while altogether preserving and reinforcing the ultra exclusivity of the V12 for very limited runs sold for top money. Strategically and financially it would make perfect sense and allow them to sell a lot more cars. They wont hand over the v12 on a silver plate as yet… this is my prediction. The F167 will NOT be a NA V12 only ( maybe ) a very limited run in a few years will be ( and reserved to top clients) after the v12 production line from the gts and/or PS has been freed up.
While Ferrari has made two engine options available for Lusso, I'm not so convinced they want to do it again. Especially on their performance models. It would be a bit problematic, if V12 had to compete with V6 hybrid on straight line performance. Not sure how much synergies this would bring, but quite many design compromises had to be made. Not an easy task e.g. from weight distribution point of view. The V12 would probably be loser also in handling department. Also, each Ferrari model is sort of an icon and piece of Ferrari history. Personally, I don't like to see multiple engine editions being built, unless the cars are otherwise significantly different.
yes, all of that. AND China just announced they will severely limit the export of various minerals like graphite needed for batteries. Politicians will quickly catch on that they've been playing right into China's cards all along. Favoring the Chinese industry over their own European one. That, or China has already bought a lot of politicians in Europe....
The assumption that a limited V12 runs occurs down the road is of course contingent on the platform being modular enough to accommodate both engines which it sounds like it will since the F167 platform most likely will he used in the future of other limited / iconas models. With the lusso they first released the v12 and then v8 which was less appealing in that order ( and a mistake). The lusso isn’t the super sports range the F167 will be therefore making a v6/v8 first on that model range can only increase the number if sales of all engine types as well as the desirability of the ( limited & exclusive) V12 variant down the road
Imagine having the explain to your friends you have the 'entry level engine'.....! "Oh yes, but the hybrid is just so much more fuel efficient.....". Everyone else just thinks; "loser".
Remember Europe has another huge incentive which is to cut dependency on oil and therefore on Russian imports hence the move to EV serves their agenda particularly in the current geopolitical environment
I think v6 or v8 tt hybrid will not be seen at Ferrari as the entry level engine anymore but rather the high performance F1 derived one. Or they wouldn’t use it in the LM hypercar and supposedly LaF replacement
