I may not have been specific enough, when I talk about Roma 2, I am not talking about 167, but the replacement of the Roma which will use the same structure as 167 ... 167 "is" the 812 replacement and Roma 2 will be the Roma replacement. To be clear, 812 was categorized as "supersport" because its design had been intended to be more aggressive, and 167 will be categorized as "GT" because the design is in a modern-classic spirit. Strangely enough, at Ferrari, design has been guiding classification lately... But in reality, the content of the 167 is much higher than that of the 812, so it will not be a GT, especially with this rev counter... 167 is not a DB 12 !!!
I'm expecting V6 hybrid for Roma 2. Not sure if V6 fits naturally between the front tyres (due to 120 degree V angle), but if Roma 2 indeed shares the structure between F167, then maybe the V6 could be placed a bit further back (than V8) from the front tyres to make it fit. Does anyone know what are the widths of Ferrari 65° V12 and 120° V6?
@day355 I have deliberately not replied to your reply to me with this post as I would prefer it removed for the simple reason that Ferrari still has an open book for the Roma Spider and calling the new Roma 2 a replacement for the Roma is not great on a public forum. Whilst the ethos and usability is a next in the line for GT credentials for Ferrari it is a different platform altogether and Ferrari still has to sell the Spider variant of the Roma. Last year when I met with Andy Preuninger at the Porsche GT department he mentioned how he and others in his team constantly review all of the comments on Rennlist and other forums and he was acutely aware of what the community was discussing. If Ferrari are reviewing this thread it would take them all of 5 minutes to locate me based on the vehicles in my profile and my previous posts. Hence why I have been very delicate with the information I have alluded too. Aside from an IP location search, you may be safe from the watching eye......? As for design if you review the Montezemolo new way of the thinking the 550 Maranello was a gorgeous, non fussy modern classic. The 812 got quite a bit busy and therefore I completely agree with the new direction. As for Aston Martin. I never mentioned the DB12. I said DB11 and DBS which I still standby. As for the DB12, I happened to drive this car at Pebble Beach and it was simply a perfect evolution inside and driving wise. It was just a shame the tooling didn't allow Aston to make it different enough from the DB11 and DBS which is IMO the only downfall of this car.
Going back to the Lusso I thought the idea was one platform on which to create any new aluminum based model. It could have the engine in front of the driver or behind the driver. The platform was totally versatile with 6, 8 or 12 motivation and the only difference was the amount of content to justify various price levels. Though I am not sure it was conceived with an all electric Ferrari in mind?
Correcting myself a bit. I doesn't really help much if wide angle V6 is moved further away from front axle. It had to moved quite much. E.g. 10 cm seem to be too little. That said, I'm not yet ruling out the possibility of installation to front. Other interesting topic is, where the electric motor would go? In front of the engine or behind, or at the rear next to gearbox?
You know, Ferrari is very happy with the enthusiasm that 167 is generating long before its release, and as you know, everyone on this thread is going to buy one if they can. It's a win-win for them, and even more efficient than their marketing department... Now, everything has been said about 167, all that's left to do is wait for the presentation and put down the deposits !
I drove the DB 12, it's a " pure GT " in the noble sense of the word , a beautiful car, with a finish much superior to Ferrari... But the biggest weak point is the gearbox... It's a disaster !!!
I actually didn't mind the gearbox in the DB12. Having owned a DBS for 3 years that gearbox was a disaster especially the 2nd to 3rd ratios which were so out of sync it was unbelievable that it was allowed to leave the factory in such a fashion. Let's not discuss the traction control....... As that was for sure 20 years old!
If we in this thread are a significant market for Ferrari, they will certainly not kill the NA V12 yet. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
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Not personally however we are in a common group of Ferrari owners. Why do you ask? Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I don’t claim to know everything. When the owner was asked what Ferrari’s he has and why he was the first PS in the UL his response was; I have a few, split between race and road stuff. No idea why I got first puro though, think I was just lucky with picking a spec they wanted to build.
Regarding Artura's 120° V6: https://cars.mclaren.press/ww/releases/883 "The engine employs a 120˚ ‘hot vee’ layout. This configuration allows shared crank pins enabling a very short and stiff crankshaft appropriate for high power, high-revving engines. The wider angle brings advantages that include a lower centre of gravity and the creation of a cavity within the vee to house the twin turbochargers. This is one of the factors that makes the engine 220mm narrower than McLaren’s twin-turbocharged 4.0-litre V8, its compact nature assured by additional advantages in length and weight." Given that Ferrari 120° V6 actually has a bit shorter stroke than Mac, I don't see any reason why it would not fit to the front as turbos don't need space on the sides. This is a step closer for Roma succesor to have a V6 hybrid. But if the car shares a lot with F167, then a non-hybrid V8 might have better synergies with V12.
They are probably not all going to the same guy, if he was getting the 812c and pu at the same time he would already have the 296 in the garage as there have been lots of deliveries already and he would be top of the list Sent from my SM-S9180 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Yes they are all his cars. And that’s not how it works. Depends on the spec. Heavy specs take longer and Black/Black cars come faster. My 296 was ordered in the first batch of 296’s for CA and it is only on a ship now. Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
That's spec is phenomenal [emoji106] I ordered a F8 and said to the dealer unless it's in the first 3 months of deliveries I was not interested, they made it happen. The spec was nothing like yours though, I would say it was a very standard spec car. I can image the painted shields alone add a great deal of time to the production for your car Sent from my SM-S9180 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
it was worth waiting for, stunning ✨️. P.S. I know that the age is just a number, but was it really necessary to put it on a door of your car?
Something they probably never did (or never published): The F12 Aperta I took an old drawing of F. Manzoni (top left) and reworked it heavily. First I colored it, then i added the soft top and some TDF elements. I think the result is a good balance between the F12berlinetta and the F12tdf. Although we know that the F167 GTS will have a hard top (#4277), i like the contrast in this sketch between the soft top and the body. And i think it´s simple and elegant too. For me it was a nice way to pass the time. Maybe you like it too...
