happens to me all the time, sometimes i notest, but many times i don't. I guess the guys understands, we are all busy and usually writing in a speed. If i don't write in a speed, i usually skip the comment altogether.
I personally the f12 is a better design compared to the 812, more reniniscent of the early 250 / 275 series, feels also visually more compact You can push it hard like the 812 with an amazing F1 sound but can also be smoother and more civilised as a GT should be while the 812 tends to be too aggressive for a gt The F12 will also better Similarly i find the f12tdf to be a better car and design compared to the 812 competizione My view
May 2024, during the Miami Formula One Grand Prix week in FL, the new car will debut. At the same time will also be the International Cavalcade. Marcel Massini
Personally I drove the f12 and 812 back to back to decide which one to go with, the f12 seemed too raw for long gt journeys so ultimately I went with the 812. The f12 was an excellent car and I nearly took it as it offered tremendous value, it was £50k less than the 812. I am very happy with my decision and definitely don't miss the £50k [emoji16] Image Unavailable, Please Login Sent from my SM-S9180 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
As mentioned many times before, to me the F12 ist the much greater car than the 812 Superfast. For many years I have owned and extensively driven several F12s and 812 SF's. The 812 SF has become way too heavy and too fat. Do I care if it has 20 or 40 hp more or not? I don't. The F12 is much more agile and clearly more beautiful, besides being the last Pininfarina-penned design. I'd almost call the F12 a design icon. Even after many years the design of the 812 SF is not convincing and way too aggressive, a bit Lamborghini-ish. Just my 2 cents. Marcel Massini
100% agree with you. The F12 is perfection and the best design since the 250/275 era. It is the car that made me fall in love with Ferrari. After owning an f12, 812, tdf’s and other v8’s i remain convinced more than ever than the F12 is the best front engine GT ferrari ever made since the 50’s, 60’s and the F12tdf represents the very high watermark in terms of front engine design, engine character and collectability.,it is far superior to the Competizione ( and rarer) imo both in terms of design and driving experience , more in line with Ferrari’s historical design language taken to perfection and will simply age far better and be the most sought after of the special series if not among supercars of the modern era. So will the F12 over the 812SF.
I do prefer the f12 design, my choice was based on usability and I felt I would drive the 812 more than if I had the f12 in the garage. I will add an f12 once I finish my new garage and find the perfect spec as the driving experience did have a particular unique character I very much enjoyed Sent from my SM-S9180 using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I agree the TdF is the epitome of Ferrari design comparing well to the classics of the ‘60s The 812C on the other hand has a decent front and side view but the rear is awful with the lack of window and those large horns for exhaust which look like horn speakers that fell out of a Klipsch truck. It totally ruins the 812 rear making the 812CA look nominally better for lack of that solid rear window (and a bit better than the 812GTS for that matter as the nacelles of the GTS look awkward from some angles). For that reason IMHO the 812SF is the best looking of the 812 cars but the F12 and TdF in particular still beat it visually. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
That's weird, given that they have the same wheelbase and weight and that the 812 is 8% (60 CV) more powerful.
Never really saw the love for F12. Much harder to drive than 812, especially on track. Always seemed to me a car that struggled to control its power compared to 812 which has another 70 hp or so but uses it well. Getting into a flow with 812 is easier. A significantly improved drive for me. Not sure where the weight comment comes from, 812 seems a lighter car to drive - more responsive, agile, on its toes - (whether it is or not). Looks are always personal but the lower bonnet line on 812 has always seemed more lithe, aggressive and better to me. Interesting someone mentioned 275 as a comparator for F12 because I think the same thing about that car - too heavy in the midriff, the area between the front arches and A-pillar. The 250 GTO seems much slimmer in that area, like the 812. TDF is different, it is exquisitely done, especially the front end and the rear vented arches. It also loses the odd rear treatment of the standard car. I love the Competizione too, including the rear which makes for an interesting design. In the flesh the Comp is beautiful, though probably just bested by the TDF. Would I swap our Comp for a TDF? Probably no. If you’re going to drive it places, I prefer a confidence inspiring car rather than one that needs to be tamed, especially at the value they both are. All four cars are from the top drawer though. Their V12 ensures that.
Let’s also not forget the 812 comes w it’s top off. Loved my f12 but the ability to drop the top and listen to that glorious v12 is unbeatable imho. And those that Peter the f12…I get it. Loved mine but I am in a bad way with garage space so had to go. Building a new place now and adding a car barn w lifts so maybe one comes back in the future. Dying to see the 167….I just have this feeling it will be very special. on a side note, we aren’t writing our thesis here so who cares about typos and autocorrect. Save that anxiety for a real f up on a work email
I agree with you that the TDF is in another league compared to the F12 and represents the pinnacle of front engine V12 design hence why I thought it deserved a mention in the F12 Vs 812 comparison Although the Comp might be a bit more confidence inspiring perhaps that also means that the magic of Ferrari racing they successfully managed to infuse into the Tdf wasn’t successfully introduced in the Comp which makes the Tdf a masterpiece if Ferrari automotive engineering and deserves to be a reminiscence to the past and hence its name. Iit is also more beautiful timeless. In my humble it isn’t a car you buy for driving from place to place but because one looks for something truly special and different from the vase car. Personally? At the value they both are? I’d swap a Competizione for a Tdf all day
Say hello to the old man who knows nothing about Ferrari racing history 365 daytona competizione It looks like you didn't get a competizione allocation. Image Unavailable, Please Login
The cars the Tdf pays hommage to are far more beautiful than the picture you got from your internet browser, and represent peak Ferrari’s history. You should refrain from making such comments on people’s knowledge without knowing the persons you are commenting on this is nothing more but vulgar and pathetic You have absolutely zero credibility - first you qualify me as a dealer looking to sell GTS at $100k over and now you are commenting on me not having secured an allocation on the Competizione.,learn to think before you speak and be respectful but perhaps you haven’t learnt or been taught what means in which case go back to school rather than disrespecting people ( honest collectors) who express their opinions on that thread let me answer you ( until you come back as i’m sure you will with your next sense of humour) I did not get an 812c allocation neither did i get a tdf allocation it did not prevent me from owning an F12, an 812, 2 tdf, a speciale, been offered a gts allocation ( politely declined) My comments and opinion have nothing to do with getting an allocation but with the cars themselves - I personally do not care at all about the allocation and that is not what I’m after.,i’ve always bought my cars if interested when I wanted to and itsn’t difficult to get a build slot allocation for the Comp if I decided to get one. I am not interested in playing the long term game of buying successive models to get an allocation i’d rather buy the car that i’m interested in straight and save my time amd money and enjoy the cars that appeal to me personally. that said I notice a strong tendency on your side to be offended each time we make comments about that you dislike about the current line. Who now between us is the dealer or affiliated to Ferrari Marketing? Don’t pretend that you have a clue about Ferrari’s racing history because you managed to dig a picture from the net. Wanna talk about allocations? Why don’t you tell us which allocations you got and/or Ferraris that you own(ed)?
