‘62 GTO 3765 to be auctioned at Sotheby’s NYC November 13.

Not saying it didn't sell for that amount but no proof of it.

I don't understand your logic here.

 

The sale of 4153 GT was a private sale and anything published is total fantasy and hearsay. Not more than that. Only the four people involved really know.
Secondly, 3647 GT has led quite a hard life over the decades (Goodwood 63), not sure if it could be described as last properly original GTO.
Thirdly, keep in mind that a number of GTO's have lost their original engines and not all of them are absolutely bullet-proof and full matching numbers. Won't say more than that.

Marcel Massini

 

So, the record for the highest price 250 GTO, or any Ferrari ever sold, and not just at auction and including privately and publicly, may well be the $48.4 million that 250 GTO 3413 fetched in 2018.

 

Well I have different informations regarding 0856 and 4153GT

 

Prove it.

We've all had "informations" as you call it of higher prices but no proof. If you have it, show it. If you don't show it you have no proof. So far it's nothing but hearsay with nothing to back it up.

 

So this was more fake news from CNN? Where did they come up with that figure?

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/ferrari-250-gto-1963-record-sale/index.html

 

Fake News! That CNN article is full of mistakes anyway. Lord Bamford being the only man ever to own two GTO's? And a sales price "reported" as $ 70 M? Reported by whom?
And there were 39 250 GTO's?
Come on guys, all the usual media nonsense here.

Marcel Massini

 

Is the bidding opening at $60m? If yes seems extremely high but am assuming they wouldn’t do that without a guaranteed bidder.

 

Not to be negative about this truly historic car, but it is in the Works 330 LM 4 litre body configuration/livery of Le Mans 1962, but it is mechanically as it was campaigned Privately with the 250P Prototype engine and 5 speed 250 GTO gearbox. Really it should have the slot nose vent to be correct.

Tipo 62 3765LM was raced by the Works as a 4 litre 330 LM. 5573 GT was the only "250 GTO" raced by the Works, but Tipo 64.

Pietro Ferraro had previously owned/raced 250 GTO #3451 GT.

 

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The closer the date gets, the more we find out. She definitely has a complicated history but is that really what people look for? Seems like the failed auctions of recent collector cars pushed them seriously in the direction of "This is an art piece, not a car." and everybody has a different opinion on what it's worth.

 

Not really that complicated. #3765LM is a rare GT that was raced by the works, modified by the works and remains largely as she left the factory the last time. As such she is a unicorn. Any buyer could restore her to any spec they choose, be it Nurburgring '62, Le Mans '62 or a later date. That will be their choice.

 

I am not aware the original 4 liter engine is available.

 

Clearly you've not read the supplied info. It would be nigh on impossible to restore 3765 to 330 LM 4 litre Nurburgring '62 or LM '62 spec.

 

Classiche would easily build a new 4 litre motor and restore #3765LM to either form...... Just takes money.

 

I would not want that.
NO compromise at this level.

Marcel Massini

 

Totally agree with Marcel, it’s either the real thing or it’s not.

 

I'll take four please.

 

Steven,

On RM Sotheby's site for the car, a list of spares is included. At page 146, item #1 on that list is a "four-liter engine (tipo 163)" built from "mostly new parts". Has the cylinder block forming the base of this engine been identified in the past?

Having the option of returning the vehicle to it's original configuration would be of value to some, no?

Or, am I completely misreading the information?

 

https://rmsothebys.com/gto/
The Sotheby's promo video covers multiple configurations.

 

It would seem if Ferrari modified this car in period, and all the pieces exist to creat a specific version of it, and it is unique, 1 of 1, I would think it more valuable. That is always the “originality “ argument. If Joe Blow modifies it, no good. Ferrari, or Classiche, perfectly fine. In period even better.

Perry

 

Agree and that is sad!

 

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Hi Dustin, there have been a fair amount of posts recently that either lack all the requisite information or fail to capture the nuance of what this one-off car is. I’ll sit down and get some replies up in the next day or so.
The 4-liter block is an original tipo 163 LM block (the correct NOS part) that was sourced from Paul Pappalardo 30 years ago or so. That engine was then built in Italy at ASM or one of “the bigs” (I don’t have the report in front of me now but the builder was in the inventory list you referenced).
When the factory installed the 3-liter block #0796 in 1963, the 4-liter engine was then retained by the factory. What they did with the 4-liter engine then is anyone’s guess/lost to time.