Euro 7 is voted and will come into force in 2030. It is very light compared to the text initially planned, which is very good news for us !!! " the latter will "just" generalize only the lowest of Euro 6. The limit for nitrogen oxides for diesels, for example, will be lowered to 60 milligrams per kilometre. This will be similar to the rate already in place for petrol cars." " the latter will "just" generalize only the lowest of Euro 6. The limit for nitrogen oxides for diesels, for example, will be lowered to 60 milligrams per kilometre. This will be similar to the rate already in place for petrol cars." " Especially since this measure will only come into force in 2030 for cars, instead of 2025 initially. This is five years before the ban on the sale of internal combustion vehicles in Europe. "
The ban on the sale of internal combustion vehicles will never happen. Ideology can never prevail over reality in the end ..
I wonder where this rumour came from. Aston threw a manual into their 12 cylinder with limited numbers and charged a $1M premium. Considering how many of us would crawl over one another to get one it’s an intriguing albeit remote fantasy.
True. They also skipped some ugly test procedures such as keeping the emission limits by the vehicle going uphill with a cold engine! Which would have caused lots of headaches among the R&D people. As a result of this the EURO6 standards can more or less be kept until 2030, instead of 2025.
And concerning this flow: Muletto => Mulotipo => Prototipo If there is a such car as Roma 2, it hasn't progressed further than Mulotipo. F167 is already in Prototipo phase, so surely it should come out first.
I don't have any privileged info, so sticking to usual I'm imagining Roma 2 will be nothing more than the update of current Roma, possibly some degree of facelift with a couple extras. Not even mulettos or mulotipos needed.
If that's going to ever happen (and that's a big if) I think it will probably be in an Icona model that's based on the F167 platform. IDK just a logical guess. That way they can easily charge a million $ more.
Keep in mind that in 2024 the factory will fully concentrate production on the standard Roma Spider. Marcel Massini
I try to keep things easy and logical: At first there will be a facelift of the Roma coming. One could call this Roma2 or whatsoever. And I’m quite sure that’s nothing at all to do with the 812 successor. 296VS, 167, LaFerrari successor Roma FL. So far so good for 2024…
I believe this is the most probable outcome. Further, I speculate that there will be a “Roma 2” (facelift only) in 2025. F167 will have a V12NA and Roma remains V8TT, but both will add mild hybrid (MHEV) assist. I’m a nobody in the world of Ferrari and have only bought 3 Ferraris, but I do look forward to reviewing my post in 2 years time! Pure speculation, but fun to try nevertheless.
Manual production v12 seems like fake news. Manual spX is possible given what these cars cost. Hell, koenigsegg did a manual/crazy auto trans in the same car but its a limited run heritage car. Its all about the price. There is no reason why ferrari cant do it if they wanted to. But 800+ hp manual is gonna be a butt clenching experience
Not sure cause my dealer says the pre order of the 296VS I placed several months ago might be activated in 2024. Deliveries in 2025. Roma VL launch early in 2025 is also possible. No official (dealer) information so far. It was introduced late in 2019. Adding five to six years …
It makes all the sense in the world the F167 chassis/frame be used for the 812 successor, the next mid/front Icona and probably the Roma II. The LaFerrari/F250 will probably by an updated carbon fiber chassis/tub and probably another mid/rear Icona. If I ran Ferrari I would do the same as the cost of developing the frame is enormous- possibly more than a new V12 Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Is that why multiple-model platforms are economical? I always assumed it was because it (a) makes the assembly lines more flexible and (b) allows for more shared parts (in the cars and on the lines). I wouldnt have guessed that frame design and development was that costly. (And I'd imagine it's a simpler exercise if it's designed with a single model in mind.) But I don't know and now I'm curious.
Roma « 2 » is the successor of the actual model but this time based on the F167 platform (812 successor). Concerning the new V8 sportscar (new range) which we don’t know if it really exists or not but according to @Condor Man it will be a new car above 296. I suppose it will be positioned between SF90 and 296. We will see..
This all seems a bit confusing and after reading too much in this thread, let me see if I’m understanding. The PS is not really a successor to the Lusso with the addition of two doors. It is instead its own category. So now we are left with the question as to what will be next in the evolution of the traditional front mid engine cars. Ferrari has for a long time offered both a two seat and 2+2 V12 which were at one time top of the food chain. With the introduction of the California, they now have two models of 2+2 - a V12 variant and a V8 variant. Recently, the had three variants if one counts the Lusso T. So what is expected is a successor to the 812 which we are calling the F167, correct? Also we are expecting a successor to the Roma, which may be a V8 or V6, correct? Additionally we are anticipating another V12 2+2 may also be in the works, correct? Am I understanding things correctly? And there is debate as to how much similarities there will be between the variants in terms of chassis and design, correct? There is also debate among some as to whether any or all of these will be ICE only, mild hybrid or fully hybrid, correct? Just trying to make sure I understand what the debate around model introductions are… Thanks for clarifying any of this for me. I have zero insider information and I too am unknown by Ferrari. [emoji4] Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Frame development is easier today using computer design but still requires extensive testing of models to ensure adequate rigidity, predictable performance in collisions, etc while also being adaptable to different car designs with different performance targets. Assuming Ferrari will stick with aluminum frames for the F167 and other variants, the more car designs they get out of that frame single design the cheaper the costs per car line. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
It wouldn’t surprise me too much if the Roma/Roma FL would be the first purely electric Ferrari… Thoughts.
My understanding is the first Ferrari EV was coming 2025 and would be an EV version of the Purosangue
