I think it is safe to assume that Magna 7DCL750 gearbox used in 812 will be upgraded to 8DCL900 in F167. To my understanding this same 8-speed unit is commonly used in turbo models (Portofino M, Roma, 296 GTB, SF90) and also in n/a Purosangue. The 8-speed gearbox can handle 900 Nm of torque instead of 7-speed unit's 750 Nm, so it makes also hybrid assistance possible. Regardless of whether the car has mild hybrid or not, together with closer gear ratios and higher revs, we can assume that acceleration times will improve.
Let me simplify my question: The PS is a new category. There will be a successor to the 812. V12 two seater. There will be a successor to the Roma, which may be a V8 or V6. A V12 2+2 is also be in the works. A V8 two seater front-mid engine is in the works. Probably analogous to the SF90 which will become the new front-mid engine king of the hill. This seems the current thinking, yes or no? Thanks! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I think you meant a “V8 two seater rear-mid engine is in the works”. This sounds about right based on everything that is being shared on here. With all these models plus the upcoming EVs, doesn’t Ferrari’s lineup seem a little too congested? Too many cars for exclusivity and seem to be going the 911 way, a 911 for every customer and every use case. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
@day355 - Can you please provide clarity. Is there going to be V8 rear-mid engine sports car coming? Will it be NA or assisted (forced induction and/or hybrid)? thank you.
Could the interested parties perhaps make seperate threads for questions unrelated to the F167? There's questions, answers and rumors about 4 different cars going on in this thread now.
Yes, I am REALLY asking. Does it look like a statement of fact? If it is disturbing for me to ask, I’ll just go back to reading. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Seems curious that when a car is well received Manzoni is supposedly ‘claiming credit’ but when it is disliked he is fully responsible. In the minds of his detractors seems he can’t win. Personally, I’ve enjoyed the design direction for the most part. I don’t think it’s unusual at all for the ‘boss’ to lay down the philosophy and sign off final designs without doing the actual drawings. Works that way in all design studios, even advertising agencies, that I know of. Does that mean he is not responsible for a design? Not how I see it. Whether you like the design or not, his name is on the box because he decides the philosophy and signs off the work the design team propose. I assume the board then has final sign off. Also normal.
Also, seems highly likely F167 will be a n/a V12. The cost of developing a new powertrain for that car, given how long it might be relevant, seems prohibitive. Plus, the V12 crowd are a bit more traditionally minded than the V8 people. Might be nice to see a 1,000 hp hybrid V12 but sitting alongside 296 and SF90 is it necessary? A 830hp front engined V12 is plenty enough. As for a manual gearbox? Doubt it very much. Is there really a sensible market for it? This ain’t no Porsche GT3.
I don't see where a V12 2+2 can be released outside of PS, let alone a mid-rear V8 NA Berlinetta with hybridization if we are talking about a new car...I have no knowledge of it !!!
I doubt it too. Sure would be interesting though. I'd love to see how many three pedal cars would be spec'ed. It's clear that manuals are coveted now (at least in the V8 cars) judging from the premiums paid for factory manuals and the popularity of conversions. But then...why were so few 430s and 599s ordered that way in the first place? Is it a different set of buyers in the secondary market? A case of not knowing what we had until it's gone? If it was suddenly an option on new cars again, would it lose some of its allure? I hope they do it. I'd order one in a heartbeat and pay a premium for the privilege. But I suspect I'm part of an outspoken minority, not a representative majority. And I'd be surprised if Ferrari thinks it would be profitable to offer sticks again.
Yeah, I'd love to see the return of a proper 2+2 V12 coupe or shooting brake. But I was under the impression that the PS plays that role in Ferrari's plans. Doesn't interest me, but it appears to be working for them financially. Way more lucrative than the 612, FF or Lusso.
Thanks that makes more sense to me. With speculations including a V12 Roma…. Well, I just got confused. And I forgot that it is speculating…. All I know is that I’ve been pestering my dealer that as soon as the 812 successor is announced, I want in the list!! Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
