Are F360s harder to work on than a F430?

@Rifledriver and anybody else.

I have been told for years by "experts," a F430 is easier to work on than a F360. Chain belts, no engine out, and so on. Plus, the 430s are newer cars.

Has this myth held up? Does it cost more to keep a F360 running than a F430?

 

No engine out on either. 430 has less routine scheduled costs but in my experience it is more expensive when it breaks. Its also a newer car so the fleet has fewer years and miles so the data is not exactly apples/apples. I'd call it a wash. Then there are the brakes. Most 430 buyers were never given a choice of steel brakes and the space shuttle brakes are eye wateringly expensive and really make no sense on a street car. Clutches are a lot more expensive in 430. More exhaust system problems in 430.
If i was a buyer it would be a 360.

 

Thanks, that what I was thinking. Besides I'm slut for the sound of a 360 with a Tubi.

 

The 360 is easy to work on.

 

With all my years of exposure to high level noise its OK with me if there was no exhaust noise.

Ours have stock mufflers and quieter still would be good. Besides, loud cars attract attention and I really do not need that.

 

I'm with you on the noise side, I used to LOVE it, the Louder and Meaner the better but not anymore.

The last F430 I had, the previous owner modified the exhaust, it sounded great during my test drive but got tiring after a while and I regretted not asking for the stock exhaust.

I am now in search for my next Ferrari, I don't have the F430 anymore and I will insist on stock or at least street quiet sound or will discount my offer so that I can make that happen.

The louds sounding cars can go to the younger folks I do miss being younger...

 

On the noise front— these 360’s are no longer fast cars compared to modern offerings…. I never want to be the guy with the loud slower car.

 

I don't want to be the guy with the loud car ever. When I drove loud cars my driving record read like the vehicle code. Since embracing quiet cars I have had a clean record for a lot of years and I don't drive any different.

 

Yeah I know, looking around and kicking a rock, but I'll never forget the sound of 360 and Tubi ripping down PCH in the fog.

 

To add (simpleton's view), don't the F430s also have a fancy and expensive water pump while the 360's wp is conventional?

 

I will go against the popular vote here ..I feel the 360 especially the early ones didn't think out some of the basic service procedures that a diy guy would do .. what I mean e.g. bumper has to come off to some maintenance stuff ..

I think from a basic maintenance stuff .. I think the f430 is easier ..hey just an opinion

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Just part of the reason a 430 clutch is so much more expensive.
Takes longer to do most jobs.

 

Looks like the 360 oil pump is internal, driven by a chain. It better not fail, as it cannot be replaced at home DYI easy... (like I did on my F430).

 

And you had to replace your oil pump. Not uncommon on 430. And certainly not something to brag about.

Pretty much unheard of on 360. So tell me again how that makes 430 superior?

The 360 engine dates back to 1974. Its been an incredibly reliable engine.

 

360 Very simple and reliable. Quality aftermarket pumps avail at very reasonable price. Parts available to rebuild. A few hundred one way or the other for parts.

430 There have been some issues. Not simple, no aftermarket parts I am aware of. $2500 and up for a new one.

 

I was just stating a fact, wasn't bragging... I love the 360. I would have bought a manual one if it would have surfaced when I was on the lookout.. I actually made an offer for a manual 360 red on tan, in LA area about a year before buying my 430. Guy must of sold locally as he never got back to me after he agreed to take it to PPI place.

 

I am handy with cars, I would not be phased to change my own belt and fluids, etc, on a 360. Would actually love to work on one. if I had a bigger garage, I would add a 360 manual for sure; guaranteed (convincing my wife might take me some time, but it worked with the 430, so )

 

And the fact is 430 has had pump issues. 360 has not. It is basically a near 50 year old design that was used in tens of thousands of cars without issue. It was changed from gear drive to chain drive after the F40 probably for cost reasons.

 

For what it's worth, the Challenge Stradale has been mostly one of the easiest cars I've ever worked on in my life and I've worked on a lot. It has it's challenges for sure with some things for a DIYer, but every car does. Overall, I feel that both platforms are extremely well thought out and the short length of time it has taken me to do several things has surprised me and even my wife.

Yes, my 1929 Ford Model A was easier to work on though. LOL

 

Timing chains are the BIG attraction to the 430.

On the other hand, you also get an E-diff. Which doesn't sound like a problem I need...

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/the-ultimate-differential-thread.685749/

 

I find my 430 easy to work on. Not sure why folks pull the bumper for a clutch though? Doing mine right now with no need for bumper removal. Maybe because I’m a smaller guy, I find plenty of room to work in the engine bay.

I didn’t consider any model prior to timing chains. Just not something I wanted to deal with during a major.

 

I have an ediff bypass to solve that.

 

Now that I've found a shop I 100% trust, I will admit I might just do all the work on the car myself, except for the major service every time. Just pay the money for them to do it and not have to deal with the belts and getting the timing exactly where it should be. Belts will vary slightly from each to each and after use as well I'd assume. I can live with every 5 years. But yes, I do wish the car just had a timing chain. Major improvement with the F430! I've always wondered though, with timing chains on cars, since they are never changed, do they ever fail?

 

I debated if I wanted a Capristo stage 3 or Tubi. I know myself that over time the Capristo would have been too much. Tubi is literally perfect.

 

I’ve never heard of a 430 chain snap, but it’s a good question.