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  1. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    They could get Brady, Montana, Aikman in their prime and would have a losing record.
    They have NO receivers - AND their offensive game schemes do NOTHING.
    Why the hell they don't use the crap out of Hunter Henry is beyond me, and they
    COULD get a pair of decent WR's in free agency this year, but they won't, they will
    sign some clown like MVS or another 3rd rate guy.

    They don't need 'God' at QB - they need a whole bunch of things to come together
    at the same time. That won't happen anytime soon (within 5 years)

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    I PRAY they don't let Rodgers come back this year (Jets), if he even TWEAKS that hamstring
    he's done for all of next season - if not for good.
     
  2. TheBigEasy

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    Agree...

    Football is a team game in every sense.... QB is the most important player for sure, but even the best ones are made to look great or horrible by the players and play calling around them.
     
  3. dustman

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    Naw….they had garbage O at skill positions for a while and still had Brady pull it out.
    Kinda like what you see in Houston now, with CJ.
     
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    Who’s your fav player all time and why?

    mine was Favre until we learned about his transgressions off the field. Bummer because I loved how he played the game.

    Troy Polomalu, Watt perhaps.
     
  5. Whisky

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    PS - 'generational talent' NOBODY knows.

    A lot of guys that disappeared were 'generational' talent - but they weren't.

    Patrick Mahomes - let's say he goes to Clv or Car or Chi instead of Andy Reid and the KCC, is he a superstar? Doubt it.

    Chi traded up to get Mitch Trubisky - not a generational talent but he took Chi to the playoffs 2 of his 3 years there,
    then Chi dumped him, they didn't develop him. Changing coaches every year doesn't help.

    Jordan Love seems to be coming around, and Kyler Murray is a different guy since coming back from his knee injury,
    so is it him - Murray - or the new coach?
    Brock Purdy would have been cut from probably 28 other teams, but he FITS well in SF - with Shanahan, but anywhere else?
    Sam Howell is putting up great stats playing for a crappy team and a suspect coaching staff.

    It's all about the 'fit', and if you don't get into the right team/system/staff at the RIGHT time, you are seriously screwed.
    Bryce Young looks totally lost at times - is that him, or coaching?
    CJ Stroud - looks good - is that him, or coaching? (he also has about FIVE legit targets to throw to, Young has two - maybe,
    and those two are not as good as Houston's five,

    Name a Car WR, or an AZ WR - you probably can't.
     
  6. Whisky

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    Brady had one WR to throw to each year, Edelman, or Welker, or Gronk - when he played,
    he also had some control of the team, the calls, and the respect of his teammates that thought he
    could lead thenm to a win, so they tried harder (IMO)
    I'll argue Houston today has three legit WR's and two TE's to throw at, and today NE has none - that they use.

    Even Edelman is on record as questioning every WR NE has drafted or acquired except for one - Jakobi Meyers -
    and Julian said they were nuts for trading/cutting Meyers because 'he is the only WR on the roster that created space'.
    N'Keal Harry was a complete bust - Edelman said that before they drafted him - but they drafted him anyway.

    I still think it's coaching and game schemes - if your coaching has no faith in the players,
    they scheme a certain way, and it shows.

    PS - New England also trading or cutting some key players like Lineman, or Kyle Van Noy - people
    like that - kills a team too, it's not all about the skill positions.
    In short, they did it to themselves, for the most part, over the last 5-6 years.
     
  7. Whisky

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    We could even argue Cleveland has had some great QB's over the years,
    but bad coaching will kill any halfway decent QB.

    An example for today is Justin Herbert - he's doing OK, but he's not 'growing', we
    see the SAME things every game, every down, and defenses are figuring him out, just
    as they have Brock Purdy, Goff and Geno Smith, to name three. But Purdy has the staff
    around him to teach him new twists, that's the difference. Guys like Sam Howell, Desmond Ridder and
    Will Levis don't have that.
     
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    We shall see…
     
  9. Whisky

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    Who, me?

    Former SF RB Roger Craig.

    Because he was a great player, an even greater person, lived in my dorm back at NU, and is a personal friend.

    Of the players I don't personally know, probably former Cleveland OT Joe Thomas.
    Made the Pro Bowl 10 x 10 years he played, and All-Pro 9 x 10 years he played,
    on a team that never won.

    From the 'old days'? Maybe Paul Warfield or Otis Taylor....
     
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    It’s still Larry Csonka. No RB I ever saw could get positive yardage just by his sheer will and strength.


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  11. Whisky

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    Except for that one game against the Eagles...... LOL
     
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    Remember, that fumble was Pisarcik’s fault, not Csonka’s. Actually, it was really McVay’s fault for calling the stupid play in the first place.


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    Speaking of Roger Craig, isn’t it a scam that he isn’t in the HOF? Same with Ricky Watters. Both should be in.
     
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    To each their own is right.
     
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    "Craig was one of 12 senior candidates under consideration but again was passed over for a potential spot in the Hall of Fame.
    Randy Gradishar, Steve McMichael and Art Powell were voted as the three seniors finalists for the Class of 2024, the Pro Football Hall of Fame announced Wednesday morning."

    Powell should have been inducted 50 years ago.

    Gradishar was OK, but HOF? Meh

    Steve McMichael? Sorry Bears 1985 fans, but no freaking way. He was great, but not HOF 'great'.
     
  16. Whisky

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    Isn't it always somebody else's fault? LOL
     
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    Just when you think Saban is as washed up as Belicheat, he pulls off a stunner and turns the team into #4 ranked and semi’s. Crazy.
     
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    CJ finds a way again. Rookie QB, first time HC, first time OC etc…this does not happen in the NFL, esp with a team of castoff players. Special QB.

    Pats clearly tanking. Zero pts, for the greatest coach ever? Child please, says Ocho.
     
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    Awesome for Houston

    The bad timing for Bill & Pats…. I’d think bill would retire soon after getting “most wins as coach” record…. Now’s he’s gotta worry about Andy Reid catching him
     
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    Does anyone else have an issue with that penalty late in the 4th quarter last night in the GB-KC game? The one where Mahomes was running to the sidelines, was still in the field of play, braced himself for the hit he was about to take....the hit was perfectly legal, he was inbounds and wasn't in the act of going out of bounds yet, he actually stopped and turned his body. Add another one to the list of brutal calls for over-protecting the QB
     
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    Completely agree as do the experts and eye test.
     
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    They definitely don't have the rule figured out yet.

    I understand they want to protect the QB's..... the "product" of the NFL really gets worse for all involved when a franchise QB is out for the year..... but they have to balance it better with allowing the defenders to still play their position.

    As Tom Brady said the other day..... back when defenders were unrestricted and would routinely try to knock guys out of the game..... the QB's just had to be smarter about not putting themself in spots where they could take big hits..... and cannot throw over the middle to spots where their receivers will take big hits....

    The Mahomes style now of just do whatever you want and then beg the refs for a flag....... that's the same kind of garbage that LeBron James does in the NBA compared to generations before.
     
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    Agree. Additionally the issue, particularly with Mahomes, is to tiptoe up the sideline knowing he can milk additional yardage because defenders are afraid to hit him and take the foul. He does this repeatedly; deeks as-if he’s going to step out last minute to gain yards. It’s ridiculous. To me if a QB gives up their position to become a runner past the line of scrimmage you should be able to hit them as you could any other player. I sorta wish some D guys would just light him up full on a couple times and take the penalty just to stop guys like Mahomes from thinking of taking advantage of this rule.
     
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    Apparently they do.
    When you hire your kids to be assistant coaches, that's a problem,
    and the reason I call it a problem is they have been in these 'positions' for
    several years, and no other team is trying to poach them...

    And I've had an issue with that analogy for a few years now - 'castoff players'.
    Dalton Schultz left Dallas for more $$$, Devin Singletary was dumped by Buffalo in a stupid move by them,
    Robert Woods was a head scratcher (experience?) but mainly, if it is a player that is not a common household name, he must suck, right?
    Wrong...

    I said last year Nico Colllins is the best WR nobody has ever heard of, Noah Brown is great, Tank Dell is great but got hurt,
    nobody ever heard of Puka Nacua or Courtland Sutton, or Romeo Doubs, hell nobody ever heard of Travis Kelce or Davante Adams
    until they started doing great.... I could go on and on...

    PS - New England has done an AWESOME job of signing free agents that are well-past their prime
    for a ton of money. DeVante Parker? JuJu Smith-Schuster - both have lost a step and cannot separate,
    they signed BOTH Hunter Henry and Jonnu Smith for a lot of money, then dumped Jonnu and they don't use
    Henry at all. Where they got their kicker nobody knows... and Bailey Zappe? LOL.


    That was an extreme screwup by the officials, it should have never been a penalty.

    HOWEVER, the zebras made up for it a few plays later when GB MUGGED MVS and didn't call DPI.
    That was the buzz on sports radio - when the officials screw up one call, they make up for it with the next call (or non-call).
     

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