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Purosangue crash in Germany

Discussion in 'Purosangue' started by Marcel Massini, Dec 9, 2023.

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  1. Marcel Massini

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  3. Marcel Massini

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    Article pix show snow and ice.

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    Pretty much a silly comment that it has too much power for the traction available. Even Jeeps are too much power for poor traction. People think 4WD or AWD makes them indestructible in all elements. PS is no exception.


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    Exactly what I was thinking. “Too much power, not enough grip”. In other words, he was driving too fast. The car has winters on so the grip would have been plentiful in the circumstances. The talent perhaps less so, as many have experienced before!
     
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    The article states that the PS wasn't driving too fast.
    The road was simply to icey for any kind of grip.
     
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    Someone had to be the first. Not a big issue if the guy can afford that car.
     
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    Exactly.

    No grip is the problem in ice/snow.


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    Growing up driving late 80's in the ice & snow with cars that had no driver aides, I've since had more problems when the car tries to do too much. I remember when ABS came out drivers had to be trained to not pump the brakes. I got my truck stuck in a mud hole because the TC came on cutting power to the wheels. If I could have stayed in the throttle there was some slippage, but enough power to get through it.
     
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    ... needs a driver upgrade.
     
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    Hope the driver is ok.

    Must look at the upside - one less Purosangue.
     
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    That’s not true. There’s always some level of grip, especially in snow. With winter tyres on (which they were) it’s just too much speed, deployed at the wrong moment, for the available grip.
     
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    Apologies for the hyperbole.

    The article blamed it on too much horsepower.

    My point was and remains that in low traction environments, it does not take very much horsepower to lose control - or lose grip - or to lose traction. Snow and ice are low traction conditions. This was not the angle of the article.

    Also, many people seem to believe that AWD or 4WD solve that issue. It helps but does not solve.


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    Those don't look like winter treads to me. More like rain treads.
     
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    while it has been along time since I had the need to buy snow tires these do not look like it ....
     
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    I agree. Stand corrected! None of my snow tires have that directional flow to the treads.
     
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    It's just a new(ish) tire from Michelin. They are always changing/ improving. One of my (many?!) problems is I pay attention to tires, I am always curious as to what the companies are doing. You can see the tread in one of Shmeees videos or also in this one that Member @omercan posted in another thread, if you look close you can see the tread pattern..

    Anyway, from looking at the pix, it could be the driver encountered an icy patch, or was carrying too much momentum, or, probably a combination. The thing about these cars is they make you feel like a hero, but conditions and our own confidence can conspire against us- sometimes pretty quickly. I hope the driver and anyone else on board are ok.

     
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    Definitely Alpins. I have them on GT3T and 812S
     
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    I remember a few years back, an unexpected winter storm hit the Deep South and I was stuck driving in the snow and ice with my "Ultra High Performance Summer" tires. It was quite a memorable excursion with constant wheelspin up to 60 mph and doing all I could to keep it between the ditches!
     
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    "Good tires" Bob mused while casually smoking a cigarette "But certainly not great tires"
     
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