Agreed. I’m not sure how to properly characterize these cars as they are built on genuine f40 chassis, whether from a wrecked car or a factory built non vin stamped chassis. How or why would such a chassis leave the factory? Also, why put a v12 in one? What type of racing can you participate in with the v12 powered f40?
In the racing world you have the factory teams and then the privateers, the LMs etc were built by the factory sanctioned Michelotto concern, who as well as supplying completely converted road cars, also supplied kits of parts to privateers, then you have the pure private cars which took a base road spec F40 and modified it themselves to meet whatever rules their chosen series specified. The latter ran under such with its v12. Ferrari will not have supplied a non VIN stamped chassis to a privateer, so that car will have had one at some point in its life, later removed either due to a total loss insurance claim or other reasons. The last example I have shown is none of the above.
Does anyone know where these clear plastic headlight covers can be sourced from? Also, why the variation in headlight orientation? Some cars have the larger headlight outboard while others have them inboard? Image Unavailable, Please Login
I doubt you will find an off the shelf solution as they all varied to some degree. They will need to be made to measure for the clam you have by a polycarbonate company.
100%. These cars are not genuine Ferraris and are therefore it is fair to describe them as replica Ferraris, or in this case, replica F40s. Since the replica subject seems to be a sensitive one, perhaps you can call them copies, reproductions, imitations, lookalikes, whatever you like, but in reality none of the aforementioned terms seek to disparage the cars, they simply describe them for what they are.
The GTE had the widest front clam to accommodate revised suspension and wheel sizes. As a result the vent area in front of the doors becomes wider and more vertical also. I will measure one later and confirm the width, do not have access to a standard front clam though, but can confirm the width of a standard rear one. I do not believe the rear clam got wider apart from the upper fin element. The US race cars had wheel extensions fitted from memory though at some point.
GTE front clam is 1910mm from top of wheel arch to opposing side. Standard F40 rear clam is 1960mm across the same two points. Hopefully others can check a standard F40 front clam and a GTE rear for comparison and post them here.
Thanks Tom, interesting, trying to work out how they widened the rear clam without also modifying the body sides by that extra 10mm either side so that they still match up at the intersection between both panels. No obvious bulge after that joint. So I guess the sides were also pumped out by 10mm compared to the standard road car ones?
in Italy now Saw it few weeks ago. Naked body and chassis only. Being completely restored by Michelotto Automobili in Monselice. Car is full F40LM spec including the chassis except different type turbochargers.
Incorrect. Unless you are unable to properly measure the width of a car or are measuring a replica rear end, the genuine Ferrari SpA factory standard F40 rear clam is 1980 mm if measured correctly at it's widest point. Even if you rely entirely on the internet, many sources including some official ones initially quoted 1970 mm, however, Ferrari SpA correctly measured a standard non-cat non-adjust Lexan Sliding Windows F40 for purposes of submitting the car for FIA Homologation as approved on the 1st of December 1989, and recorded it as 1980 mm. This is the correct max width. FWIW many other F40 dimensions were correctly measured and recorded in FIA B - 293, and this is one of the most accurate source of F40 dimensions. Correct. Incorrect assumption. Michelotto didn't widen or pump out the rear clam by 10mm compared to the standard road car's units so there's nothing to work out, the standard F40, the F40 LM, and the F40 GTE are all 1980 mm rear width. The source of this erroneous assumption is either your own aforementioned incorrect measuring, or the measuring of a non-Ferrari replica rear clam, I’m not sure which but I'm sure you do. As mentioned above, for 1996, F40 GTEs sported a widened rear wing, but this was still based on the standard 1980 mm rear bodywork with GTE bodywork changes described above. The only F40 LM which sported widened bodywork albeit very temporarily was the F40 LM 79890 fielded by Ferrari France in the USA IMSA race series where the rules allowed this modification, but this was achieved without modifying the main bodywork by the simple expedient of bolt-on wheel-arch spats in order to accommodate wider wheels. This application was tried on an experimental basis with an outcome that proved to be both unsuccessful and short-lived. Below, F40 FIA Homologation FIA B - 293 showing correct rear width measurement https://historicdb.fia.com/sites/default/files/car_attachment/1601077201/homologation_form_number_293_group_b.pdf Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Well here is a challenge for you Joseph, don't believe everything you read, as that has caught you out quite a bit has it not lately, and actually ask an owner (as you don't have one yourself to do it on) if you can measure the distance between the top of the wheel arch to the opposite side of a standard F40 road car rear clam, at those two points the distance is the 1960mm that I clearly quoted, having done this myself rather than relying on other peoples information to help out the poster. Said measurement was taken from an early, original factory rear clam, the reason I know it is original is that no aftermarket company could replicate the poor finish as well as that found on the ones that left Maranello! as well as many obvious other areas on this particular component. I will even post up a pic of the tape measure to show the 1960mm, so now to save face can you do the same to prove it is 1980mm instead at those points. They is no actual indication at what points the 1980mm figure is measured from, on the sources you rely on to dispute what I stated, so in reality this is just another attempt at a cheap shot from you that will backfire yet again. I note you do not dispute the figure for the GTE front clam measurement over the same two points I also listed, I guess there is nothing you can find online to try to dispute that though is there........ Image Unavailable, Please Login
Another redundant F40 post by the man with no real F40 experience, perhaps you can be forgiven for these wayward posts because if you can't tell the difference between a real image or a CGI of a 288 GTO & F40, or the difference between a real F40 and a fiberglass-bodied replica kit by the French-based SEFAP/CMO Production, how can you possibly be expected to measure a fake F40 rear end and arrive at the correct measurement? Next you'll be telling us your cats did the measuring for you hence the erroneous number. Image Unavailable, Please Login
A real F40 rear end we have measured, not a replica, 80161 as delivered new to Stefano Casiraghi in Monaco, 1980 mm. Image Unavailable, Please Login
Like I said, bluff and bravado as usual, glad you like the pic of the kitties I posted awhile ago on that genuine F40 rear clam. Poor attempt though at detracting from the facts, Prove that the widest part of a F40 clam is 20mm wider than the one I have already shown, make a fool of me I dare you. Now don't forget that anyone else with access to an F40 can also take that measurement, lets see if anyone else wants to play as well. Come on Joseph lets see your evidence rather than an old factory document that may well have been manipulated to allow a wider clam to be fitted in the future if required. whilst still within the homologation figure, not thought of that had you. Also why not confirm, with evidence, the same distance on an F40 GTE front clam
You do realize that FIA Homologation application measurements are independently done by professionals, not cats?
The FIA used a real F40 from Ferrari SpA, you used a fake F40 clam assisted by cats, there's really no need to prove anything.
