F40 PROTOTYPES

It was in the news again very recently, about Ferrari striking it from their records, just goes to show, never believe the internet hope the real one has not been removed as a result.

I probably read it in the same place you read that USA F40s had a unique engine Joseph or that Ferrari only made 399 Enzo's.

https://www.hotcars.com/ferrari-f40-lm-barchetta-doesnt-exists/

 

Does anybody have the March 2005 Artcurial catalog for when they tried to sell the Blaton 'F40'? I'm interested to see how they describe it.

 

Always a pleasure to allow you to keep digging that hole.

Also thank you to those that have contacted me directly with far more detailed current information, I fully understand why some of you do not actively participate on here.

I agree by the way, that publication you guys mentioned really is just a coffee table comic.

 

You been spending all week writing that up Joseph?

Every man and his dog on here can read what I simply wrote, Tom listed the VIN for the pic of the car I posted prior, and I then noted it was the same as the VIN quoted for the yellow F40 Barchetta, that is all. Its called chat, amongst enthusiasts online, just sharing information, and not using Fchat purely for self promotion like yourself.

Tom graciously then updated the information that said VIN was still firmly affixed to the original car, and not the claims for the yellow example, where no other open source till that time had verified such. I even now know the name of the current owner of said LM and where it is located, given you are clearly relying on Toms post, do you?

You need to seek help for this constant desire on here to multi quote my threads to boost your ego, only to keep failing with just pure bluff and bravado.

 

80697

car had several updates/changes throughout it's prototype life and has been restored a couple of years ago. From no F40 embossed logo to a rear clip with logo etc (ALL IN PERIOD)
and NO: not a production F40 that was converted to prototype chassis et all!

 

But Tom, how can a car with a production VIN from 1990 be an original prototype?. No one yet seems to have answered your info regarding this car from some time ago! Have you got to see it now?

Before you know who pipes up yet again with another vain attempt to disparage me, Tom and I have chatted about this example directly in the past, Tom certainly knows his stuff

 

someone can not rely only on Ferrari factory information (=Maranello). The so called "experts" (whoever they may be) need to check/inspect the car and ask the builders of the prototypes...
Too much black-and-white thinking imho by some. The real truth is out there (most to be found in the Veneto region)

 

Until Tom confirmed that the actual LM car still existed you had no idea at all either, just like you had no idea the example you last posted was one with a production VIN from 3 years after that car was first built, how do you explain that fact?. Same with the facts regarding the engines fitted to US spec cars or being adamant that Ferrari only made 399 enzo plus one for the Pope, do you want me to show the most recent post where you proclaimed such? no idea what so ever there were another 100 plus Enzo's on the planet. Some expert you are.

All Toms work regarding these two LM cars, which you will now claim you knew all along.

That hole just keeps getting deeper for all to see from now to eternity on here, this is just a hobby for me, where as potential clients are reading all this from now on for you, many have told me already they would not go anywhere near anything you are involved in, keep up the good work Joseph.

 

Post up the initials of the owners of those two LMs and Tom can confirm if you are correct

 

Clear then that you did not know, and never had a clue the LM that was claimed to be the donor for the yellow car was still very much alive and in one piece, until such time as Tom posted that info up just a few days ago, comical trying to make me look stupid by understanding such up to that point and actually making yourself look a bigger fool instead by the very same marker.

In relation to the F40 prototype pics you then posted, you did not know the VIN but later claimed you did, but only once Tom posted it up, but when Marcel posted the factory details for that VIN previously, showing it was claimed to be built in 1990 rather than 1987 you did not say a word.

So come on then who is wrong? Marcels factory information that it is a 1990 production car and not a prototype or Toms that it is the period pics you posted up of an original 1987 prototype, both of them cannot be right!

You do realise that this constant denigration by you on here of anyone with the skills to undertake an actual project is below you and not worthy, is simply insulting every mechanical person reading this also, some of us build not buy, there is a whole industry out there, take a visit to SEMA one day it would knock your blinkers off.

Comical how you thought you were so skilled because you rattle canned a heat shield off an an F40 once in your garage and that's it! bet you have never even lifted a spanner to fix your lawn mower.

I have pulled apart and rebuilt things as simple as a 50cc two stroke at 15 years old through to far more complicated Ferrari V12 engines since and everything in between, the engine in an F40 is simply a derivation of that fitted to the 308, a very basic one at that.

I can keep this up for ever Joseph, I am only an enthusiast on here as I have always stated, I don't earn my living from selling other peoples assets like yourself and living off the crumbs left on the table. Fchat is the go to place online, more and more people new to the marque and looking to buy an F40 will be reading your constant drivel, remember that.

 

« I can keep up this forever »

please don’t, please go in private message to speak to each other.

I deal with enough bad atmosphere and stress everyday at work, and there are so much more misery and pain in the world right now that dont help to lift the spirits and mood….

This is a Ferrari forum, a place I like to visit after work, to decompress and learn about my passion. Passion is supposed to bring people together: you can teach to others, you can learn from others. And all that in a respectful way.

 

So you are stating here and now that before Tom posted that 79890 was still in one piece that you also knew that for certain?

Now be very careful before you confirm such, as only a handful of people knew that for a fact, and where the car actually was, if you claim you also knew, they will want proof from you of such, they are active on this forum and will no doubt call you out.

With regards 80697 is it either a 1990 production car or a 1987 Prototype? again very few people knew the facts behind this car, are you claiming you were one of them? they will want proof if you claim such

 

Come on Joseph is Marcel correct about 80697?, if not how come you did not correct him?

 

Or is Tom correct and that 80697 was not built in 1990 but is in fact a 1987 prototype.

 

80697:
Completed 22 January 1990. Sold new to Michelotto.
Engine #17853, gearbox #625, body #193.
All of the above comes straight from Maranello, just FYI.
If it is "correct", who knows? Correct in what regard?
Guys, please relax. Thank you.

Marcel Massini