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But it is sideway king
I like STO especially when it slides a lot.
Best sliding machine among MR cars yet.
On track it might not be fast but honest and analogue enough for me

Agree Porsche makes better GT series cars with focus. But it is not STO unique.



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It's not my place or business to Answer that question.
However my comment on it is this. Whether they do or don't in this situation is irrelevant.
The Fact is they are fully aware and they will deal with it how they see fit.
If anything Day355 is creating discussion and a lot of interest, which all good for Ferrari and many of the member here.

 

Your level of.... is beyond comprehension
If the moderators could send you back to class to take your diplomas, that would be a good thing !

 

Man-Crush?


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I want to see your real face

 

Im not sure if this has been spoken of yet on this thread but I was confirmed by an employee of Ferrari corporate that the replacement will not be a hybrid and they will maintain it this way for as long as possible.

 

Yes it has, thank you

 

I think it's time to out Day 355. So here it is!

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No one made you the forum police. 2 week thread ban. Be more tolerant on your return to this thread or it will become a site ban.

Not OK to tell someone to STFU. 1 week thread ban.

In the future, simply report objectionable posts for moderator review and move on.

 

On further review, the following posts from above are about "giving the finger" to day355

Add an additional 14-days to the thread ban.

 

A 2023 F1 car is orders of magnitude quicker than a 1963 F1 car, even though it weighs more than double. You are just stuck in the past...
As you see, other people disagree with you too. The 296 is better than the STO in every imaginable scenario (other than sound, obviously)!
As I said before, the worst sports car I ever drove, was the lightest one (Lotus Elise).

 

How about a 2004 F1 car? Lighter, simpler, more fun to watch and listen to, and...faster than today's cars. I'm willing to bet more fun to drive too, though obviously that's way over my pay grade.

This current generation of F1 cars (like all before it) is a product of the regulations. With an open formula - and without marketing or political considerations at play - I haven't the foggiest idea what would be optimal today. Almost definitely turbocharged, but I'm much less certain the added weight and packaging required for hybrids justify the HP gains (maybe, I just don't know). And I have no idea about cylinder count and displacement.

Anyway, you say weight is just a number, but so is BHP, 0-60, top speed, lap times, etc. All else equal, lighter will produce a more responsive and nimble car that can change direction more easily. (And, as others have pointed out, is easier on brakes and tires).

But of course all else is not necessarily equal. I totally agree with you that ultimately it's about the package. Every engineering choice is a tradeoff. It's how a car comes together that matters.

That said, what matters will be different for different people. The 296 is an outstanding car. That doesn't mean that some of us wouldn't prefer it with, say, a modern 3L NA V12, hydraulic steering, less electronic intervention, maybe a third pedal, etc. Will they make that car? Nope. Would you prefer it to the current 296? Doesn't sound like it. Would I prefer it? Yeah, probably. But I still appreciate the 296 for the masterpiece it is...

If people with my preferences are "stuck in the past", that's cool. I know what I like.

 

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THANK YOU. His intolerance was intolerable !!!!!!

 

After 10000 Kms in the STO I still LOVE the car !!!. Been driven in all conditions i.e. track, mountain and freeway. Awesome car and huge fun - To each his/her own

 

That's not really light for a N/A V12
SP3 Curb weight: 1,485 kg (3,274 lb) (dry)

Ferrari F40 weighs 1235 Kg / 2723 lbs. 4 extra cylinders don't add much weight at all.

 

A 2004 F1 car is as powerful as a 2024 F1 car, so it does not make sense to compare them, on this basis. A 2024 Ferrari road car is much more powerful than a 2004 model. This is progress, for the road cars, at least. The F1 cars have more downforce now, but the same power and more weight, than 20 years ago.

There is a less complicated car than the 296, the Maserati MC20; with a 3 litre V6, no hybridisation, and a carbon chassis. I don't think that many people regard it to be better just because it is simpler, compared to the Ferrari.

 

100% agree - the notion that cars have to get heavier and have more fantastic trickery to keep them safe to drive just doesn't make sense. I agree with you Ferrari has taken the somewhat obvious route of protecting its margins. It is fortunate for the company that buyers will follow the badge - will be interesting to see how long this lasts. Asking for lighter and better handling cars without ridiculous horsepower is apparently "tedious" to the true aficionados!

 

Agree, I'd take the 296 over the MC20. The MC20 is a bit lighter, but IMO, the 296 drives better, looks better, sounds better, has a nicer interior, etc. Like you say, it's the package that matters.

That doesn't mean that Ferrari couldn't make a lighter interpretaion of the 296 with a conventional engine (a small NA V12 if it was up to me). They won't, but at least in theory, they could. It would probably be slower, yes, but I'd likely still prefer it.

This isn't to take anything away from the 296, which is brilliant.

I know those aren't your preferences. That's cool. I don't know why you you feel the need to throw shade at other perspectives though.

 

Oh, no shades, whatsoever. My all times favourite configuration is the N/A V12, the King of engines! But as you said, the 296 is a great package and it is a shame that people judge it by its cylinder count, or the fact that it is a hybrid.

 

Getting back on topic - what are the three versions? Coupe, GTS and VS (no VS aperta)?

 

To all you "car peeps" - Hope you all have a great 2024 and trust that you stay in good health, happiness and all the success for the new year. Hope the world is a better place and we can still argue about this nonsense going forward

 

See - Ferrari marketing genius! Essentially an 812 engine in a fresh suit plus a zero added to the price. There is zero chance that they would sell a standard production V12 for $3m. But consider this. Ferrari are a publicly listed company. There job is to make as much profit as possible. The margins per unit of SP3 will be off the charts compared to 812. That’s all that counts for them - and I’m very happy for that as it means more investment into better and better cars.

 

Remind me again what the power to weight ratio is on an F40 vs SP3? Also, don’t forget all the government regulated safety garbage that also needs to be carried and which adds hundreds of kilos to the weight?

Sure SP3 isn’t the lightest, that accolade goes to the GMA T50, but it’s not that bad compared to its peers.

 

We were talking f40 Weight !

F40 1987
Engine 2,936 cc (2.9 L) twin-turbocharged Tipo F120A/F120D 90° V8
Power output 478 PS (352 kW; 471 hp)
484 PS (356 kW; 477 hp) US-spec
Transmission 5-speed manual

SP3 2022
Engine 6.5 L F140 HC V12
Power output 840 PS (618 kW; 829 hp)
Transmission 7-speed dual-clutch

So to bring into prospective a modern Ferrari V8 engine
Engine 243.5 cu in (3,990 cc) F154FB twin-turbocharged V8
Engine: 797 PS (586 kW; 786 hp)
Transmission 8-speed F1 DCT

"Also, don’t forget all the government regulated safety garbage that also needs to be carried and which adds hundreds of kilos to the weight?"
No it adds cost. with Carbon Fibre, Kevlar, Carbotanium etc it can be done the T50 and others have proven this. Ferrari could increase the cost and we would pay it for real weight reduction.