LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

My two cents:
- 599 coupes, 1200+cv, active rear wing, late 2024 launch, 2025-27 production, Name?
- 199 apertas, late 2027 launch, 2028-29 production
- New XX in between…very low production (30ish)

 

One question mark :
How many electric motors this car will have ?
Two for the front or a single one like the 499P ?

 

I saw it on reddit, interesting
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Honest work but mainly based on current mulotipos.
We all know final shape will be different.

 

I personally think it will be f40 vibes

 

The 499P has 3 electric motors.

 

The f250 has to wipe the floor with the SF90 XX across the board.
I do wonder if the reason for so little weight reduction on the XX was to help the F250 in that area.

 

It has one electric motor mounted on the front axle.

 

You are quite right, I got confused with the system in the SF90 XX.

 

Happy New Year in advance to ALL the F-chat community . A few of my southern Hemisphere friends are already at parties- the animals !!
It’s been another classic year of Ferraris and F-chatting in 2023- got a feeling that 2024 is going to go into overdrive on F-chat with deliveries to customers of the XX allowing some to review on here , and the Big Daddy- F250 launch .. Thank you ALL members on F-chat in giving me so much insight throughout the year and I must say , it’s my most visited site !

 

Oh !! Mustn’t forget the 812 replacement this year launching too - hoping for an escalating frenzy in the build up to the launch on F-chat ….. I love it !

 

Happy New Year to you all! May God keep your roads twisty and your journeys safe.

 

I’m not sure it will, it’ll be different. XX is tech-heavy, all four wheels offering motive and traction capabilities. Less pure perhaps. Plus it achieves this using 1700+ kg.

The F250 ought to be ‘purer’, lighter weight (because high production $ are available to them), higher aero, more use of exotic materials and aerodynamic brilliance. It will likely be only a second or two faster around Fiorano but the way it will achieve that must be very different and more comparable to its forebears.

For example, 2s better than XX Stradale gives 1.15.3. The circa 1,000hp, high aero, slick-shod FXXK is 1.14. For a road-tyred car to get so close would be incredible. Therefore its lap time window can only be between 1.14 and 1.17. Most likely around 1.16, achieved mainly through extra aero and lower weight compared to XX, rather than massive extra power. That’s how I reckon they’ll do it anyhow. The key thing is it will feel very different to the SF90 XX.

 

…continuing this thought, an F250 lap time of 1.15.7 would only be 1.6 seconds faster than the XX Stradale. Yet it would be a full four seconds faster than the LaFerrari which had 950 hp. The Enzo had only 660hp and a lap time of 1.22.3, meaning the LaFerrari beats the Enzo by 2.6 seconds and the F250 brats the LaFerrari by a full 4 seconds as mentioned. The LaF had 50% extra power over the Enzo but the F250 definitely won’t have a similar advantage IMV.

Two things occur to me;
A lap time for the F250 in the 1.15s would be sensational (and therefore maybe not likely) and the XX Stradale lap time starts to look really quite impressive.

There is a law of diminishing returns the lower the times get. To give a reference, the F40 lap time is 1.29.6! The current generation is definitely fast. Can you imagine waiting over 12s after lapping an XX Stradale for an F40 to catch up over such a short lap. Can’t say progress has been slow.

 

I get where you are coming from I am looking at it from a few different points.
It has said been said one of Ferrari's targets was to beat the Aston Martin valkyrie.
The XX Stradale is a road legal car the newer F250 has to beat it or it won't be a true halo. every Halo in the past has been faster than any other road car before it.

Progress slow no but has been ugly at times and alot of missed opportunities.
Answers soon at least

 

Ferrari's expressed target for every halo car is to move the goalposts and define the evolutionary course for the rest of the range. That's why they come by once every decade. As such it needs to bring significant technological and performance advantages over its stablemates. These are not my deductions. Ferrari have stated all those things themselves.

Happy 2024 everybody!

 

removing haptic BS and use of screen while driving is worth at least 50HP if not more in my book.
I honestly don't know a person not complaining but still....
Giving as analog part dashboard at least as an option would be added bonus.
I remember my first experience with square steering... now i am kind of used to it, dare i say i kind of like it, i use it as reference in corners .

 

I am not one of those people who say that every technological advancement is towards the right direction, but I see zero value in having analogue gauges. They are heavier that screens and offer zero configurability. When all racing cars in the world use screens, I really don't see the point of gauges.

 

zero? 1 retro, nostalgic , historic, we can agree or not on these.
But for sure they are more elegant.
And, if you read my post carefully, i said a part of it like rev counter which leaves a screen on each side which you can customize
And i said as an option, for people who dont want it.
And as i said this is an added bonus for me.
Removing capacity buttons and a need to go through screen manu ans submenu while driving i see as a no-brainer

 

What lower weight ?!?
The electric motors will make it a porker, probably around 1500 kg, if not more.

 

The F50's Curb weight is approx 1,400 kg (3,080 lb) I guess that's a porker to you too.

 

That's with oil, fuel and other fluids. And it's 100 kg below 1500.
Given the advancements in technoloy, modern hypercars should be well below 1400 kg.

 

Is the official lap time for the Enzo 1.24.9? Not sure where you are pulling this data.

 

This is the time it must beat.

SF90 XX STRADALE SETS A 1’ 17.309” LAP RECORD AT FIORANO FOR A ROAD-GOING CAR

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/the-ferrari-sf90-xx-stradale-sets-a-1-17309-lap-record-at-fiorano-for-a-road-going-car-corp

 

Don't worry, with slicks disguised as road tyres and a few other modifications, the times will be beaten.Listen carefully to C. Harris, he will explain how it works ...After all, is it better than the Valkyrie ? Of course not, because the V12 is second to none! Is it more usable than the Valkyrie ? Yes