812 Replacement Rumors

Owned a Pista (changed it to an STO) and still own the GTS. For road/mountain use a "bit of flex" is good as one is not dealing with smooth, even surfaces and something too rigid IMO would be less "safe" on normal roads. The GTS though in the mountains is FANTASTIC !!!

 

What times they runnin' at COTA?

 

Just follow any Ferrari on track. The biggest difference between them and the GT3s (both) is body roll. Pretty significant.

 

Thank you for sharing your perspective. Both you and Day355 have experience with pista and STO. Given your experience with both are you of the same opinion as day355 that sto is a better driver’s car? If you could only have one rear-mid engined F or L car in your garage that would be a true driver’s car would you recommend the STO? Thanks

 

The STO vs Pista debate is more about setup's. Both factory setup's are aimed at different purposes. The Pista from the factory is setup with a lot of understeer ( in theory safer for most on the road), with the car realigned it can be transformed. Manthey have setups for the Pista that make it much better on the road and track.

 

Completely agree and I’ve said it from the very first posts about the GTS. Did that stop me enjoying the Pista Spider in the mountains? Nope. It’s brilliant. I haven’t driven an STO but if it’s like other Lambo suspension then give me the Pista Spider any day for mountain roads. You need compliance otherwise you’re dead, unless you go so slow that you’re not having fun.

The flexibility of the PS is definitely a demerit but when you judge the rest of the car as a piece, it’s really good. The problem with looking at low weight, high stiffness, V12, n/a, whatever, first, is that you ignore the fact that a lightweight, stiff, n/a car can actually be a bad driving experience. And a heavy, flexible, turbo, can be a really good one. You have to start from how the car feels and judge on that. Usually the best cars do have a good selection of the obvious things that can make a car great - low weight or n/a engine etc. But accumulating all those things does not in itself make for a brilliant car. The GTS is itself an example; it is heavy and a convertible. But it has the world’s best engine and is remarkably stiff for an open V12. Its chassis is very well judged and delivers an intoxicating sports-GT that sounds, looks and drives really well.

Another perfect example; Alpine A110, 1100kg, Alfa 4C, 1,000 kg, Cayman 1,400kg. Everyone buys the Cayman. And why? Because it is a better car for most people for most of the time. The Cayman is just so well honed as a product and it delivers. The other two are great cars but they’re curios. They work for a very few people plus those who decide they don’t want to follow the crowd and buy the best car because everyone else did that, thereby depriving themselves of the most appropriate product and rewarding themselves with the thought that they do things their own way.

 

838 Horsepower?

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/ferrari-812-successor-caught-heavily-disguised-allegedly-packs-838-hp-227051.html

 

I can only speak for myself, but I've never seen a road car in this homogeneous price category, where everything is fair and works in harmony. The STO is exceptionally rigid. The Pista's chassis is undersized compared to the engine, too many compromises in terms of ground clearance and suspension.
If you like to drive, STO without hesitation !

 

Let me know if you're passing by... I'm organizing a discovery session that you won't forget
Then you're going to buy one !

 

I like your style

 

thank you for sharing. I was not surveying the market when speciale was launched but would you compare the speciale with the STO? I read how everyone raves about the STO (except for one, Misha Chaudrin) but it then it surprises me why (speaking of US only market) why there are 80 cars available and selling for under msrp). Is this a case similar to the speciale where they will be looked at and valued as a highly desirable NA variant of the huracan after 5-7 years? Speciale could be bought at msrp until 2021 and now are 150k+ over msrp in the US.

 

I prefer the way the Pista, Speciale, 991.2 GT3, GT4 RS and 720s drive to the STO.

 

It's a better comparison than with a Pista, but the STO is much stiffer than the Speciale, and for me that's a huge difference. I don't know the US market for the STO, I'm in Europe

 

The last few posts show quite a difference in opinion on the STO. I don’t like cars too stiffly suspended. Drove an early Aventador and couldn’t believe it got out of the factory door like that. “What were the engineers thinking?” was my thought. Porsche 991 RS/992 GT3 are about the max I’m happy with and only then because I would use them for track. On local back roads they too can be too much. Unless STO is significantly softer than an Aventador it’s not for me.

 

For me yes I preferred the STO for a number of reasons i.e. sound, being NA, looks. It felt much lighter and "nimbler" on the road and is very direct in its steering and response. But - ZERO luggage space - so not great for long trips but manageable. The V10 NA engine is just fantastic imo.

You probably need to consider how you would use the car before you buy one as its definitely not a DD

 

This is very true and all the "toxic" colours people have chosen make me wonder what they were thinking!!!

 

How did the 812 replacement thread turn into a Pista vs. STO conversation ?

 

Looks to me like they have been on this thread and taking bits here and there.

 

I looked at STOs on Autotrader and was horrified by 80% of the specs.

Case in point.

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Or this Denver Broncos spec.

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A simple spec suits this car so much better. It's like a different car compared to the aforementioned clown cars.

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looks like a few midlife crisis going on there

 

Thats why I went simple

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Agreed

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