Reporting moderators actions?

This is so fun to watch.

 

What are the offenses?

 

I reviewed your reports. I am instituting a couple of thread bans on you since you cannot participate in those threads amicably.

If your son truly registered, all he would have had to do after his procedural ban is to email the admin team with verification and the sock puppet account would have been unbanned.

 

In the 10 years you've been here, a family member has not previously registered an account to participate. However, almost immediately after your account receives a ban for undesirable conduct, your family suddenly have an interest in having their own FChat accounts? Yeah, right.

That was correctly handled as an attempt by you to circumvent a ban when you felt you were entitled to exhibit poor behavior without loss of access.

The person you label as the protagonist is approaching the debate with far more humility and kindness than you are. You have behaved like an attack dog, more focused on the destruction of your opponent's standing than on an amicable debate about cars. Some minor irritation in some of their replies is understandable given your unrelenting ungracious tone.

Your complaints have no standing. You are the bully.

I think you are unreasonably emotional about this one issue. Given your otherwise clean record, the decision was taken to help you move on from these threads so you could resume your constructive interactions with other members elsewhere rather than continue to foster ill will with your behavior in those threads.

Every moderator serves at the pleasure of Administrator @rob lay. We also take the moderating performance by others on the team very seriously and there are ongoing discussions about many actions taken, whether actively reported by non-moderating members or not.

You are not a victim or martyr. You have discovered that where you have some knowledge relevant to some discussions, it does not give you carte blanche to behave like an ass. You need to get over yourself and accept some personal responsibility.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

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Sponsors (including the one you're upset with) have been banned before, including instances where it was permanent, for not adhering to the agreed codes of conduct. His disagreement with you was not an egregious offence (it is up to the interested reader to decide who is correct about a car's providence, not the moderators), and so was not actionable, but your escalations which became very personal were above the threshold where we needed to intervene. The actual claims one way or another about a car are simply not a moderation issue and we do not police who is correct or not.

Your appeals have been reviewed by the majority of the mod team and we find the actions taken to be appropriate. Some fresh eyes expressed the thought that you needed more time off to cool down, but on balance it was collectively decided that this measured approach was more appropriate at this time.

All the best,
Andrew.

 

Ex-Mod here and been here now over 20 years.... I just wanted to chime in I agree with Andrew completely.
Per historical precedent, true multiple household accounts like your timeline never occurred despite the 1000s of members we have/had.

 

If your asking why an individual engaged in online debate/active discord may make second account, the Occam's Razor heavily favors against an 11th hour surprise neutral bystander account.

 

I just replying to your statement about the "simplest answer". If your over reading into a reply that's a separate issue. Again, Occam's Razor: you don't need an account to read most of the forum so why now of all times.

Edit: If your explicitly asking if I think your a liar? Honestly - don't have enough information or context. I was just commenting based on the presented argument here.

 

Paul.

If your son was indeed curious, he could have browsed the thread without becoming a member here as it is in an unsubscribed section of the site. He would only need to join if he intended to respond. So your argument about his needing to register is fallacious. In addition, I guess he still lives at home with you as that's the only way the IP's would match, which is what tripped the moderator breaker on the attempt to register.

As to this, sure, I think that's what you're trying to accomplish by starting this thread. I'd contact the admin directly through the PM system here. If you'd like, message @rob lay I'm sure he'd be happy to address this situation with you.

I read through the thread you've been banned from, and unless I'm missing something, this clearly is not your first go-round with Joe Sackey. Seems to be quite a bit of animosity there.

I also noted that you posted a couple of PM exchanges in the thread; that's a real no-no. Surprised you didn't catch an additional ban for that.

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Let's cut through all the folderol. Joe Sackey has little to do with your sanctions, it's you that should own them. This is a discussion forum, we expect "discussion" can move into "argument". That's OK. When there is an argument, people say things that can be demeaning or derogatory to a degree. That's also expected. But we do draw the line on a scale of inconsequential-mild-serious, where mild-serious may earn sanctions.

- You were first banned for 3-days for calling another user a "sad little man". This exceeded the bounds of forum decorum. You keep claiming that you're such a great contributor with a clean record up to now, but the fact is you've been reported many times for your tone. However, you got the same treatment as Joe Sackey, the inconsequentially derogatory comments were given a pass, you just never knew other users were complaining about you and their complaints were rejected.

- You were then banned for 7-days for quoting another users private message. There's an explicit rule against that in the TOS, which you are expected to know as a 10-year user. Your rationalization that the other user was a company is specious, there is no exception for private messages from a company; everyone is treated the same, whether they are responding as a user or a business.

- Your ban was then extended due to a registration attempt while on a ban. While we understand you claim that it was your son, the fact of the matter is that everyone who tries to circumvent their ban with a duplicated account will plead it was a family member or friend. Consequently, we don't believe anything a user says of this nature while they are on a ban. Your posts were in the public section of the forum and if your son did have an insatiable curiosity to find out why you got banned, he could have read it without registering an account.

- You then came back and reported some 15-20 posts made by users who you are in dispute with. These posts fell into the "inconsequential" category as explained above, just as your "inconsequential" posts were given a pass back when they were reported. However, the flood of reports was a waste of moderator time in pursuit of a personal vendetta and you were sanctioned with thread bans.

During this sequence of actions on your part, resulting in progressive sanctions, you've never acknowledged your own behavior nor taken responsibility for that behavior. Rather, you deflect, obfuscate, point at others, and remain argumentative.

You are not as helpful or as clean a user as you think you are and we will be fine if we have to permaban you or you choose to run off in a huff.

 

Besides Dave Rocks, who was permabanned, Yellow Compass and Joe Sackey (and probably some other sponsors I'm forgetting) have been temp banned before.

 

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@PAUL500 just quit while you are ahead. It's a free website and an occasional ban is nothing. Trust me, I've been banned many, many times

 

I have to hand it to the mods. They have spent a lot of precious personal time on this one. Neurobeaker’s and Ylsih’s responses here are courteous, thorough and very professional. It would have taken me a day to construct such thoughtful responses. They have made almost infallible arguments that the OP should take to heart.

 

Well said Paul. I look forward to seeing more of your contributions.