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Precisely.

di Montezemolo always struck me as a good steward for the company. What are your thoughts @Marcel Massini? You would know better than me.

 

Following the passing of Commendatore Enzo Ferrari in August 1988 Luca Cordero di Montezemolo soon represented the factory, he basically became Ferrari's new face, so to speak. That was super important, especially with a brand like this. Every marketing expert will tell you this. Customers of such a special company need a clear and strong identity figure that represents the brand. LdM was exactly the right person for this hyper important job. A true leader. I miss him dearly and I know I am not alone.

Marcel Massini

 

I think a company that's foundations are based in racing should always have a leader that is a "racer" in the leadership spot. Enzo was a racer and so was Luca, and i think that's what Ferrari is missing now.

 

Also what is missing now after countless pages of interesting conversations are more photos of 167. We are only several months away. Strip off a little camo and let us see a little more of what we will be writing deposit checks for.


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I think car companies evolve as the car itself has. I defy anyone to step out of a 296 and not be impressed after driving it over a mountain pass, sure there is tech and there is haptic this and that but you can also ignore all of that and enjoy the feeling the car gives, the agility, the scream of the V6 and yes I agree that the Ferrari of today is not the one of 20 years ago but the same can be said of most sports car manufacturers.

Simply put the 167 will no doubt raise the bar over the 812, is there too much power, probably yes to be able to use the power consistently but again it could be argued anything over 500 bhp is not really usable.

I do hope that one day we will see a more analogue Ferrari because it would seem that is one market segment they are not present in.

 

First imagines of the new VW Golf Mk8.5 GTi. Looks like they have got ride of the haptic touch buttons on the wheel that the previous model had ( and customers hated).

Hopefully Ferrari do the same for the 812 replacement.

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I hope they don't follow this trend, though.
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That's what happens when you surround yourself with people who don't have a car culture... the current model is Apple, so we do like Apple, technological products at the lowest cost, with planned obsolescence. Their problem is margins, not making cars that conform to the brand's culture !

 

I have the impression that your position, which is very respectable, nevertheless seems to be in the minority here...
The current range would therefore be the best in history... For PlayStation fans, no doubt !

 

That center screen is the worst thing that ever happened to cars- it looks like someone welded an Apple IPad to the center dashboard console- and has spread like an evil Virus to most cars. It looked dated before it even started happening.


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Have you ever sat in a Tesla?

Marcel Massini

 

As I recall, he got pushed out around the time of the IPO.

 

I'm OK with a center screen (within reason - not a big screen TV à la Tesla).

But those floating screens look like absolute rubbish.

 

All screens in all cars that need to be touched to operate are terrible to use on the move and are simply dangerous.

Many countries banned the use of phones by hand while driving due to them being distractions to the drivers. Now more and more car manufactures are fitting huge touch screen tablets to cars and are somehow not seen as dangerous distractions ( i hate even the basic small touch screens) ?
Better control functions are really needed. The BMW iDrive system is pretty good, and Porsches have buttons, dials and switches that control most of the functions on the screens.

 

Marginally better


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My Maybach has 5 screens, 150 chips and has had more critical electrical problems than an old English Roadster!
If the Germans can’t get it right, I doubt the Italians can do better


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Not to worry. Its so modern it will age just fine.

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If they want an LED screen they should sell a smartphone/computer instead and then slap 4 wheels in it

 

It was a very wet couple of days. Cars were not AF or on cup 2s. The reference lap by the top GT driver there was a 24.xx in the cool of the early morning. I managed a 26.xx with a passenger in changing conditions, not allowed to defeat the Nannie’s. I *think* that was the fastest time of the weekend of the mortals. The car is incredibly fast and capable. In the dry it would smoke almost everything imo. Might be close with the 992 RS driven by track day enthusiasts on the same rubber. Seemed able to lap all day. Changed my opinion of owning a hybrid so I ordered one…

 

It’s still the worst thing….

 

Attempt to get the thread back on topic after yet more pages of haptics and IPOs!

I'm curious, expression of interest with my dealer meant a small deposit but not a full deposit (which would only be required upon an allocation). I have paid the eoi deposit. Was your dealer taking eoi without a deposit?

Yes I've also heard it's likely to be generally available but that normal customers such as me will get cars later in the production run (assuming a good few years of production and high demand from from top and VIP). If production is low and demand high, it might be difficult for someone like me to get one but was told they were only approaching people they thought would have a reasonable chance (have owned more than one Ferrari and have a v12 at present or are top/VIP).

First to place a deposit != First in queue of course.

 

One wishes it were true first in first out- the reality is the dealer and factory have there own queue based on their own data and preferences as to who gets first dibs


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Such is ever the case with high demand low production luxury items, Rolex Daytona's, some Hermes handbags etc. To a certain extent I find it a somewhat fair way to allocate although in my life there have been items I've wanted that I've been unable to obtain because I have certain personal rules which limit me (main one: I won't buy something I don't want to have a chance to help me get something I want).

 

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My dealer has only taken EOI deposits from exisiting customers they believe will be allocated a car sooner or later-so VIPs and exisiting customers maybe not quite at VIP level. They want to avoid a repeat of the Purosangue experience where they took EOIs from anyone and then had to pass on the news to some that they could not get a car, or had to at least wait several years in the hope of scoring an allocation.