I love Teslas

Depends where you live and what kind of use the car is for. Depreciation isn't unique to Tesla.

 

True, but if you're buying to save running costs, it all has to go into the pot.

 

I've just had a look on carsales: 2024 new Tesla3 long range is listed at $81k
2020 used car $61k. I think most Benz/ BMW drivers would be envious.
My boss does very high miles so fuelling and maintenance TIMES, not costs, are his upsides.

 

I have no love for a Chinese made coal fire powered appliance.

716 Teslas for sale on Carsales, 600 private sales......why do you think?

 

716/ 44,000 sold in Australia to date... 1.6% doesn't seem like a high turnover rate?
https://www.goauto.com.au/news/market-insight/market-insight-2023/market-insight-tesla-model-y-climbs-chart/2023-12-05/92561.html

 

There are 2 options for why so many are on the private market:
1. Dealers have no problem selling NEW cars so no interest in accomodating used. No evidence that dealers don't want to trade - no new cars sitting on lots...
2. When the prices are staying this high why wouldn't people take advantage of it.
My boss paid just under 70k in 2020...

I agree the Tesla is 'an appliance' but so are most of the cars people 'drive' these days... Am I giving up my ICE cars - not while I can still drive them!

 

Would a true motoring enthusiast own or support the whole EV venture ..............NO.

Ford US's blowout loss the last financial reporting period ...............blame the 90,000 plus it in fact closer to 250,000 new EVs rotting in the sun they are unable to move.

 

I guess some so-called experts KNOW more than Hertz
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Don't know about Australia, but under "normal" conditions, Tesla depreciation has been minimal in the US when they are a few years old. Used Teslas weren't that much cheaper than new. Telsa depreciation only took a hit recently when a) new Teslas starting being eligible for the $7500 tax credit again (something they Tesla for years without in the US after hitting production count limits); and b) Tesla reduced new car prices a bit. So people that bought a Tesla a couple of years ago at a $7500 premium (no tax credit), plus the price premium (not getting recent price reductions), will see a depreciation hit because of the artificial circumstance that the out-of-pocket expense for new Tesla has dropped. My sister-in-law b0ught her Model Y two years ago with no tax credit and no price reduction, she doesn't care -- she loves it. No maintenance, been to a Supercharger only once in two years, literally has not even noticed the difference in her monthly electric bill.

Holding on to an EV for many years, to the point that the battery is degraded, is not a winning strategy for either seller or buyer. EV's are not for people who like to hold onto cars very long term or who like to buy 10-year-old cars. They won't be "forever" cars like ICE cars can be until technology allows the battery prices to be reduced significantly (replacement battery prices are insanely expensive currently).

 

I don't think the participants in this thread (generally, not you specifically ) is a receptive audience, but very basic physics and math calculations prove that EV's are vastly superior efficiency-wise. If anybody is interested, they can do the math on how many gallons of gas in energy equivalence the Tesla Model S (Tesla's heavy luxury model) battery holds to achieve its range of 300 to 400+ miles.

 

I suck st math. Show us a picture.


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Hi Peter,

I don’t think the question was asked about the fuel (electricity vs fossil) impact of ICE vs electric, but the whole impact of the two technologies, including the manufacturing process and the often overlooked, end of life recycling costs and environmental impact.

So what happens to an EV when the original owner, after 10 years, decides that it’s time for a new vehicle. Straight to the scrap heap?

 

In Brisvegas last week we got an Uber which was a Tesla first time in one or speaking to an owner for me. Interesting. 115000ks 2yo only thing replaced ,tyres with wheel alignment. No faults with anything,
more worry free than the Lexus or BMWs he had before.
Same visit my nephew rocks up in a BYD ev suv thing 6mths old, fit & finish looks as good as any car. Bought because it's new tech not to save the planet. Only negative for him is the electronics taking control if you venture close to the edge of your lane/ road.
General observations from both are that most people who are critical of their evs have never owned one.
Don't get offended any one as a lot of chat on here has been covering a different aspect of evs not everyday ownership.

 

Oh & the depreciation thing. My 2000 ML430 $100k new. I got it from a used car dealer 2012 165k on the clock $12k. Euros do seem to have a big tear up when getting on a bit.

 

They’re quiet, and no doubt may have fewer “issues” than an ICE car. But, if you do have an issue it seems from others on here that is an unpleasant and potentially lengthy experience. They are really only convenient if you are a homeowner/renter and can get the right charging set up. For urban apartment dwellers, it’s problematic. I still believe in 30 years the evangelists for evs will be vilified for the torn up roads, insurance hyperinflation, and pollution and human rights travesties from battery production and disposal. Of course, there will also be civil unrest from unaffordable heating, carbon taxation, and generally the destruction of first world conveniences as we know it. The good news, I’m not going to be here for all that.


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Yes, virtually all the owners I know have home solar and battery arrays. Definitely not suitable for apartment dwellers but then neither are caravans, trailers, boats, jetskis and all the other junk that clogs the streets around here... apartments generally only have 1 space and while most houses have at least double garage but most are filled with junk, not cars!

 

In Aus you get used to waiting if you have an import I guess & the vehicles are all imports now.
In the '70s it took 6- 8 weeks to get a lower control arm for my car.
The other stuff you mention is more renewable energy/ political stuff rather than EV specific. If it hits the fan I don't expect I'll be around either,unless it happens soonish.

 

Wouldn't it be better to address an actual existential problem such as ocean plastic waste?

From Mr Google:

• Plastic waste makes up 80% of all marine pollution and around 8 to 10 million metric tons of plastic end up in the ocean each year.
• Research states that, by 2050, plastic will likely outweigh all fish in the sea.
• In the last ten years, we have produced more plastic products than in the previous century.
• The EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) has stated that basically 100% of all plastics human beings have ever created are still in existence.
• Plastic generally takes between 500-1000 years to degrade. Even then, it becomes microplastics, without fully degrading.
• Currently, there are about 50-75 trillion pieces of plastic and microplastics in the ocean. Plastic pollution in the ocean has a devastating impact on marine life and ecosystems.

 

I miss the good old days. Land rights for gay whales!!