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  1. Texas Forever

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    #1401 Texas Forever, Jan 15, 2024
    One of these days you're going to old, young pup!
     
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  2. otoupalik

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    #1402 otoupalik, Jan 15, 2024
    Omg - the money and time I have spent changing pads on cars. I will just keep,putting pads on until I like the feel.

    to be honest, I don’t care about pad or rotor life, just feel and performance. If those check boxes are met, I don’t care if I have to change pads nd rotors every 10kor 30k miles. Those are cheap parts that make my experience better. on the q7 I just did rear rotor after 70k miles. Three sets of yellow pads. The fronts go about 2 sets of pads for a set of rotors. Just a few hundo and a couple of hours wrenching. Well worth it to haul down the 500hp beast from triple digits! lol

    On race cars we used a pad that porterfield cut for us that worked great. A Reybestos compound. It took years to settle on it, it was awesome. Squealed like a stuck pig but just worked always regardless of temp. Same feel first lap and 2 hours in! You would have fit right in! I have always been of the belief that a good car with amazing brakes is more rewarding than a faster car with crap brakes. I make more passes into corners than coming out of them! lol
     
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  3. ShineKen

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    #1403 ShineKen, Jan 15, 2024
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  4. Auraraptor

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    #1404 Auraraptor, Jan 15, 2024
    Lucky man! I need a pair still in tan but would settle for 348 competitione seats.
     
  5. SCantera

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    #1405 SCantera, Jan 15, 2024
    My SA is plain-Jane…I think the only options are the stereo and the shields. No carbon ceramic brakes. I just had the brakes replaced by Ferrari of Atlanta and new tires installed.
    The rear anti roll bar and the steering ECU will be improvements. Maybe I should consider ceramic brakes? One thing at a time. Including making it a stick shift.
    Nope on the ceramic brakes.
     
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  6. SCantera

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    #1406 SCantera, Jan 15, 2024
    I have a lot to learn here. I think I will have to read this thread a few times before it registers. Or wait a few months to read it again. Slow going now…
     
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  7. Auraraptor

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    #1407 Auraraptor, Jan 15, 2024
    if you are remotely considering doing an OEM HGTC carbon retrofit, we should chat. OEM calipers are NLA but there are ways around that. HGTC brakes are a tentative “maybe” for me as I really don’t want to give up my wheels.

    PS as “plain Jane” as supermodel, ha!
     
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  8. F456M

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    #1408 F456M, Jan 15, 2024
    My 550 has 160.000 kms. and the original rotors/discs and calipes from when the car was new in 1999!
     
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  9. otoupalik

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    #1409 otoupalik, Jan 15, 2024
    lol so the same. Race seats are great, in race cars!
     
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  10. tazandjan

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    #1410 tazandjan, Jan 15, 2024

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  11. Auraraptor

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    #1411 Auraraptor, Jan 15, 2024
    Yes and now a 1 of 1 set. MOVit left the market
     
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  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #1412 tazandjan, Jan 15, 2024
    Affirmative.
     
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  13. PHILS550

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    #1413 PHILS550, Jan 16, 2024
    Love the photos…no, I was never expecting a PPI…but you da man for even thinking about it. The auction thread for the black/black is strangely quiet…but I never cease to be entertained by the unexpected on their site. Again, thanks.
     
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  14. Auraraptor

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    #1414 Auraraptor, Jan 16, 2024
    Yea its tragic. MOVit's design was far superior (IMHO) to Brembos 1st Generation Carbon they used on the 360CS/575/early 430/early 599.
     
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  15. tazandjan

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    #1415 tazandjan, Jan 16, 2024
    The pads are about 1/3 larger than CCM pads. Like you said, a shame they quit. The rotor transforms were far superior to the CCMs, too. Plus, no brake dust, no squeal, and a bottomless pit of braking.



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  16. Auraraptor

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    #1416 Auraraptor, Jan 16, 2024
    I actually find the carbon seats more supportive and comfortable - but not as plush. I am taller so with the daytonas I was looking through the upper diffuser edge of the windshield....not comfortable. I also must be thinner than the usual buyer as I felt was sitting on a couch without any support on the Daytonas (a comfy couch though!). In short, the carbon seats are much better for my tall frame and I would favor a car with them over a car with FHP.
     
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  17. Ferrari55whoa

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    #1417 Ferrari55whoa, Jan 17, 2024
    I want @otoupalik to go test drive the SA that just went up….and check the top function.
     
  18. Ferrari55whoa

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    #1418 Ferrari55whoa, Jan 17, 2024
  19. Ferrari55whoa

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    #1419 Ferrari55whoa, Jan 17, 2024
    I always appreciate Joes insights and the EAG car finishes tomorrow so I want to bump this to the top and then it deserves a proper “cliff note” which I’ll make sure to do for us and anyone else after the listing ends.

    I really do wish one of us here had the time and ability to go drive that car.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2002-ferrari-575m-maranello-31/#comments-anchor

    I don’t think I have in my notes what BaT’s @remingtonsr71 fchat handle is? If he hasn’t, having his commentary over here would be welcome.
     
  20. otoupalik

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    #1420 otoupalik, Jan 17, 2024
    sent a message to seller and happy to go take a peak! We can get a cool pic of our Grigio 550 next to his SA!

    If there are specific things people want looked at/pics take/noted - let me know
     
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  21. otoupalik

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    #1421 otoupalik, Jan 17, 2024
    As it turns out, its at a shop that is literally next door to my office. So send what you want looked at quickly, I may go today (even though the 550 is not with me at work)
     
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  22. Ferrari55whoa

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    #1422 Ferrari55whoa, Jan 17, 2024
    We have talked about this 1997 550 with 21k miles that sold on BaT on 12/5/23 at a then very surprising $260k.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-ferrari-550-maranello-27/

    New Fchatter Best Stuff had posted some minor troubleshooting he was doing on the car and his buyer and seller seem very pleased.
    +) SOLD 1997 550 at $260,000 out of Stratford CT on 12/5/23
    +) ZFFZR49A3V0108928
    +) 21k miles
    +) Black over Nero with OEM wheels
    +) timing belts May 2021
    +) True sleeper, no options not even shields

    For a driver mile car that result was strong.

    What is even more interesting than that high result is now this much lower result today (this car was listed 2x on BaT by same broker representing same seller).

    Today, very similar car.....1998 550 with 13k miles that was RNM at $156k

    +) RNM 1998 550 at $156,000 out of Monterey CA on 1/17/24
    +) ZFFZR49A2W0110137+)
    +) 13k miles
    +) Black over Nero with OEM wheels
    +) 2021 timing belt, water pump, etc
    +) Alpine stereo with OEM radio included
    +) leather airbag noted and there was some commenter note on door function?

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-ferrari-550-maranello-9-2/

    BaT handle Angustami noted he didn't get the difference in todays price and I don't disagree. The market is clearly all over the place.

    Also a few Euro's on BaT making things even more interesting.

    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1997-ferrari-550-maranello-30/
    +) SOLD 1997 550 at $131k out of the Netherlands on German registration 1/15/24
    +) ZFFZR49B000108807
    +) 30k miles
    +) RC over nero

    There is also a black Euro underway being sold out of Ohio by Switchcars (I personally have enjoyed all his internet content as a cannonballer).
    https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1998-ferrari-550-maranello-15/
    +) 1998 Euro on an Ohio title
    +) 28k miles
     
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  23. otoupalik

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    #1423 otoupalik, Jan 17, 2024
    Euro cars are hard to use to get a feel of the market as being 49 state legal is a bad deal for resale when CA is a huge market.
     
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  24. otoupalik

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    #1424 otoupalik, Jan 17, 2024
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  25. Chupacabra

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    #1425 Chupacabra, Jan 17, 2024
    I’ve said this before and I’ll stick with it - this market is completely nonsensical. I think the best thing we can learn from it is to enjoy our cars and not attempt to interpret anything as an indicator or future values.

    That said and FWIW, I think that most recent black 550 result is where the market should be all things considered. I saw one comment that was something to the effect of “this will go for $300” and I had to chuckle. Not a chance…but such is the nature of the effects of very public results like those on BAT. One outlier and all of a sudden everyone is sitting on a gold mine.
     
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