I think the Roma (coupe) is quite pretty, so I'd be OK with more from that language. I was honestly surprised to learn that it's so divisive. I'd also be fine with something new.
I think a Roma with a V12, a simpler interior and a slightly more assertive stance would be just about perfect.
Really interesting comments about liking the Roma so much guys. I guess this just highlights what an almost impossible task it is to come up with a new design that makes everyone happy..
i prefer the similarities to women's bikini bottoms but it's all similar. Roma is ok a little too streamlined for my tastes but a breath of fresh air from the over aero styled muscle cars Ferrari have been putting out recently. here is a link to my previous post about the 812 looks 812 Replacement Rumors
The uterus thing has been posted so many times its pedestrian at this point. Nothing Manzoni has designed on his own is worthy IMO.
I think the last Ferrari that had a full car design was the Pista. All these other models have one team on the front, one on the back with zero communication and Manzoni is failing to bridge the gap and that leads to non cohesive design.
That's what I call a concept design. Most of the DNA / Design language is very set on that sort of concept you would have to be an idiot to mess that up
Meh. I happen to really like the 812, the Pista, heck even the SF90. It sure makes a statement in person. Perfect? No. Most Ferraris never were. Look at the back of the F12 for starters. The modern cars look better in the flesh than in pictures.
I'd rather it be an evolution of the F12 design language. To me the F12 and Roma are quite different visually. The Roma is more lithe and graceful whereas the F12 is more muscular.
Was 812 Superfast and GTS initially only offered to customers with prev Ferrari relationships and vehicles before opening up to anyone regardless of vehicle history in the latter years of production, or am I mistaken? Unfortunately, I do not have any Ferrari ownership history and I intend to make this my first Ferrari and from new and a forever car, as I think the process of speccing and anticipating is part of the experience and do not want to just buy used. Do we think this vehicle may follow a similar structure to the 812 being invitation first then opening later in production? Not sure if Australia suffers from as much of the dealer games as other markets? And any advice?
I won’t speak about other dealers or markets, but I will say like other models, the F167 at my dealer will be offered to best clients first. Assuming Ferrari wants to sell as many as they can, it should be readily available. That said, if dealers have fewer allocations than interest, those without history may have a more difficult time ordering one. I guess we’ll know soon enough.
it varies a lot by country, there's a chance they might basically ask you to buy another car to get one but you might get lucky
It's likely imo that yes, initial cars will be offered to "good customers", suspect it's unlikely that the factory will dictate the list but might be if production will be particularly constrained. Factors that I think will go for/against you: For: Ferrari is a public company now and is obviously trying to keep shareholders happy. High sales numbers = happy investors. It's a series production car with no halo status concerns around new customers like with limited edition lightweights. The "everything bubble" is over so demand will likely be lower than it would have been when tons of covid cash was sloshing around the global economy pumping equities, cars, watch values etc ever higher, which leads to 4. With this being the case, the number of people willing to throw a likely very large sum of money at F167 is lower. Higher interest rate environment probably reduces some people from the would buy list to a may buy/wont buy due to higher financing costs, mortgage costs etc and affordability. If they don't announce a spider initially, there's still a chance that they announce the spider during the coupe production run and some people might switch their order meaning some slots will open up later during the production run. Against: It MIGHT be the last V12 (although realistically it won't be) which might pump demand. Allegedly the factory dictated requirements for Purosangue customers (existing V12 owner and some other stuff). But this just pushes the new/low purchase history customers down the list, I think point 1 from above still trumps this. Many of the mega rich likely won't care about any of the points 3 - 5 from the "For" list and will order one regardless. All in all I think there's a decent chance low purchase history/new customers get a chance to get once at some point. FWIW I completely agree with you, my first Ferrari was a Roma I specced and the buying journey was a large part of the experience. My advice, find a good dealer that isn't too up his/her own arse and have a chat with them, keep in touch but not overly so and let them know this is what you want and you're ready to pull the trigger at the drop of a hat. Also worth mentioning that you'd consider an order which gets cancelled while the spec can still be changed.
when the realization of V12 production constraints (maximum ever was about 2700 V12 engines in one year) + the high demand for the Purosangue (we shall soon know how high that demand/production with the release of the 2023 annual report), it would seem F167 production will be rather sparse, maybe fewer than 500 per year...unless Ferrari does something to quite substantially increase V12 production, the F167 will be a rather rare car (presuming Purosangue production receives priority)
Don't worry, with the new building for Apple Ferraris, the organization of production will free up some space...
Yes, and that will be the case for everyone here... This car is made for us... We'll talk more about that
Does that matter? The Apple Electric Ferrari is a new model that is not a functional constraint on production and will not be for several more years, if ever (demand could be a lot lower than what Ferrari wants...that's if they ever get it somewhat reliable, and that's a real concern...even Porsche still cannot get the Taycan reliable for all...search for 'porsche taycan recalls' and closely related search 'audi etron recall' involving thermal runaways in the battery pack, Ferrari is having significant issues with hybrids requiring stop-sales, will it become even more pronounced in a full EV?) Unless V12 production is now fully/mostly automated, exactly how will V12 production be pushed past 3500 units per year (3500 is just a number I guessed at)?
Jeeze. The anticipation is killing me! The hype around this car has reached epically epic proportions. I hope it lives up to it!
