LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

Honestly what’s the point of having more than 1100 Hp ?
Better a car with huge usable downforce and very efficient balance.

 

To make up for the weight and to power the car under huge downforces

 

Reversing the question, what's the point of huge downforce in road speeds?

 

I was talking about efficient downforce not monster downforce (aka track car).
On others words usable downforce on open roads.
Very subtle compromise to find.

 

the competition is fierce this time round and ferrari will be forced to make the car track focused imo, unless it's light it's going to need 1200+hp easily

 

It will have between 1250 and 1300hp

 

What "huge" downforce cars have you driven on the road?

 

And well, if it's only the hp numbers that excite you, it's very sad...

 

It seems to me that after 167 Ferrari is finished for you. Am I right?

 

You re right !

 

what are the projects except f167 that you judge not too bad?

 

won't be light, unfortunately,
so let's see about HP.

 

Icona...that s all !
Roma 2 on the limit...

 

I think its more the worry of a heavy car and that weight taking away all the power. I sure the car will never be pushed to its limits by 90% of the owners regardless.
Then the passion of wanting the Halo to be one of the best, pride in the brand and all that. we all get a little carried away.

From the spy shots it looks to have a heck of a lot of aero going on. Could you give us anything on the weight and how many electric motors please?

 

If we can't have a V12 that at least a race breed engine retains a little bit more soul than other options.

 

The engineers gave their best with the specifications imposed... We'll talk about it later, it's early trotting. The power of the motor is a technical feat, out of battery...
But it will never replace a V12 !

 

P499 internal combustion engine is capable of delivering a maximum power output at the wheels of some 500 kW (680 hp) which, added to the 200 kW (272 hp) guaranteed by the electric unit, allows the 499P's Power Unit “to have an installed power output approaching 1,000 horsepower,” - from Ferrari.com

The engine is restricted for racing so should be good for a lot more hp than that. Also, the race car weights 1,030kg the F250 should be a lot lighter than SF90 or SP3. This is a halo car which will be a benchmark for 5-10yrs - Ferrari will go all out with this one.


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for sure, they have no other choice to make it a track focused monster tbh!

 

Another from Derek

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FERRARI F50 GT - 1:10. To this day, it remains the best Ferrari ever made.

 

It doesn't matter what it won, it's still **** compared to a NA V12.

 

Ditch the electric motors.

 

General comment, the electric HP is only available for a portion of the time. I am now tracking a hybrid FXXK EVO, you get one qually lap, then you have to recharge. It is cool to learn how to optimize this, but it not the same as ICE HP. The electric gets used up real fast. So whatever HP the new F250 has the portion that is electric is worth about 1/2 as much HP IMHO compared to the ICE over multiple consecutive laps. This leaves me with the quandary of just how much ICE HP you can get out of a 6 cylinder that is of the current size AND not have a frequent rebuild cycle which is problematic in a street car, while plausible in a track only car. I am excited to see the F250 while am sure Ferrari will make it a must have car.


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“The Ferrari Vision Gran Turismo sports the same 120-degree 3-litre turbo V6 architecture adopted on the 296 GTB, 296 GTS and 296 GT3 that also powers the new 499P. However, in this installation, there were no technical regulation constraints to comply with, so it was further honed to unleash genuinely extreme performance. In this particular configuration, the engine is tuned to deliver a massive 1030 cv at 9000 rpm, with an additional 240 kW (326 cv) available from three electric motors, one on the rear axle and one on each of the front wheels.”

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/corporate/articles/ferrari-vision-gran-turismo

It is a virtual motorsport concept car so how realistic the 1030cv from the V6 are, I have no idea.

I expect around 700-720cv from the V6.
The 296GTB has 663cv.
But plenty more electric.

Weight of ~1600kg seems realistic as well.
1100cv combined?
Better aero than a SF90XX (range supercar),
a bit lighter, should be enough. The gap between a Laferrari and a 458 was 400cv, but back then Ferrari didnt have a range supercar (SF90), that sits in between the 296 and F250. If history is anything to go by the F250 should have +350-400cv over the 296GTB.

 

The 296 Challenge has 700 HP, they can clearly push that higher, how much I have no idea but engine life becomes an issue and/or component cost with each increase.


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