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  1. curt66

    curt66 Rookie

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    Curtis Alan Patience
    hi everyone...Curtis Patience here, long time in the business...been a while since i've logged in, and had to re-up it's been so long!!! Long story short we lost Dad, Steve Patience a year ago. He judged the Ferrari class at Pebble before Ed installed FCA rules, with Dean and Don and Ed. He had quite and archive i've been scanning, and I came across a fellow in a photo I do not recognize. I'll attach a couple photos. In one a freshly restored 0718 TR was being photographed by Dean out by the property. The owner Bill Chizar is dealing with the hood, and behind Dean is another fellow I do not know who he is. The other pic is at Pebble Beach mid-late 70's? i think. Don Wasserman, Ed Niles, Dean Batchelor, and Dad either done with or going to judge the Ferrari class. I'm slowly putting a book together and want to be sure I get the correct names to faces...

    Ciao for now and thanks ahead of time...


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  2. 375+

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    Welcome back Curtis.
     
  3. curt66

    curt66 Rookie

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    thanks Tom!!!...

    to clarify...Ed Gilbertson FCA rules, Ed Niles judge... two different Eds...
     
  4. tx246

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    Amazing period clothing choices!
     
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  5. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Where are the blue blazers, right?
     
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  6. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    I'd ask Phil Tetgmeier, Last I heard he was still judging at the Radnor Concours and working part time selling cars through his virtual dealership Philville in Easton, PA. Pretty sure he'll know any or all of these guys in both images.

    Sorry but I do not have current contact information for him.
     
  7. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    Steve Ahlgrim might be able to help. I don’t think he’s a member here so I’ll send him a link to the thread.
     
  8. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Phil and Steve are both East Coast guys. Thats a picture of Bay Area guys. An Ex Griswold guy like me (I dont recognize him) or Pat Ottis or Ivan Zaremba maybe. So many of them are gone now.
     
  9. curt66

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    ...the pique of style!!!! love Deans shoe choice!!!
     
  10. curt66

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    Ivan didn't know...will see if Pat or Stephen do...
     
  11. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Bill Townsend might if he can be found. And Dan whats his name. Polish name as I recall. The parts scrounger. Had an office near Pats place for a long time.
     
  12. curt66

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    ....have't heard that name in a long time...i forgot he went to Griswold after working with Dad or was it reversed?...is Marc Stuart still with us?
     
  13. Rifledriver

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    #13 Rifledriver, Feb 20, 2024
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    Have not seen Marc since those days. Bill worked at Griswold first. Its how I knew him. I remember that TR in your Dads old shop in Hayward.

    Last I saw Bill was at Griswold renunion. in early 90's? He was technical writer living up in foothills. Gold Country somewhere.
     
  14. curt66

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    ...ahhh good he got out...I worked with Marc some years ago at another shop in Hayward, we got along great...but the rest of the guys...hmmmm...last i saw him was @'05...you and i met in Hayward a bunch of years ago...you still in the tri-valley?
     
  15. Rifledriver

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    I was but ten years ago I moved to Texas. Hardly get back to California anymore. We might do Monterey this year. Have not even been there for several years. Its different now that its no longer an hour and a half drive and I have to actually pay for everything. My other half has Eds old job at FCA, Chief Judge so we are busy doing that.
     
  16. Jeff Kennedy

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    Try Chuck Queener. East coast now but was SoCal.
     
  17. curt66

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    ahhhh Chuck is still with us...did we lose Ed G?...seems like every time I reconnect with someone i hear who we lost...went to Ivans 80th and it was a nice gathering of the group...
     
  18. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Ed G and Sherry are both alive and well. We did lose David McCarthy and Phil Reilly though.
    Getting old sucks.
     
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  19. Rifledriver

    Rifledriver Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Jeff was a Castro Valley boy by the way.
     
  20. curt66

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    yeahh saw Dave at Ivans shindig weeks before i think...Phils was pretty avoidable unfortunately...

    i'm looking into doing something different too that is easier on the joints...
     
  21. redfred84

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    I only knew Don Wassermann the last 5 years of so of his life. I knew that he was a Ferrari judge at Pebble, but I wouldn't recognize him from your photo.
     
  22. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Phil spent some time at Pebble I think. Just figured I pick the only guy I know who's older than me still active in the community.

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  23. Rifledriver

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    Could be. Never knew him until we were both judging nationally. He stopped a couple years ago. We still miss him. He signed the warranty book in our TR.
     
  24. dm_n_stuff

    dm_n_stuff Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Met Phil maybe 30 years ago. Worked with him at the FCA regional concours in Reading, PA with Pietro Castiglione, Gary Goodman, Phil and a few other interesting characters. Later on hung out with him once a week at a lunch joint somewhere in Chester County, PA.

    I miss him too. Wonderful stories, interesting character.

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  25. curt66

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    i hadn't seen Don for years...probably the last time was in the 80's when his 212 was in the shop. Always wondered where his 312 went.
     

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