812 Replacement Rumors

The TdF was the apex of the F12/812 series of cars. By far the worst looking is the 812C which in my mind is a caricature of the TdF with too much of everything especially in the rear. I love surface details and airflow management intakes and exhaust vents on supercars but the Comp just took all the beauty out of the 812SF which was in short supply to begin with compared to the TdF and the F12(uterus notwithstanding).


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Jerry, you're absolutely right, although I didn't include the image of the 488 Pista (is now below), we see a bit of the F12 C on its back. In the case of the TDF, I understand that the designers wanted to give it a more muscular look than the F12 B and I think they were successful. As for the rear exhaust boxes, I also agree they could have been resolved much better.
No more Pininfarina logos? As we know, this logo was last used on the F12 B and will never be used again during the Flavio Manzoni era .

About the new car I have to paraphrase Rosario Scelsi “The impression is that the Sardinian designer (Flavio Manzoni) has impulses of great genius, but that he is unable to always match them perfectly, as Pininfarina did. In the cars designed by him, the details are impeccable, but the overall view is sometimes disturbed by something, by a discordant note. If with Pininfarina there were no doubts about the fact that the next "red" would immediately enter the heart for its style, with Manzoni there is great anxiety every time and nothing can be taken for granted".

Manzoni did a very clean design in the Roma but then put the "discordant note" on the front grill.



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Last sketch of a whole series of design studies for the new rear of the F167. Maybe I'm halfway right and i can push the experts (isot and ingegnere) with my ideas.

 

I like that rear and I can see on it the Ferrari family traces I referred to on my last post.

 

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I believe that some definitive rear panels can be seen in this photo (unless I'm mistaken). The front is still well camouflaged.

And these rear lines, the angles, are very reminiscent of the 365 GTB/4 Daytona, but more "widened".

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I think that the black camouflaged opening that's taped off is a hoax. There is no reason for it and its visually obvious. I also think that the same area on the F12tdf is the ugliest part of the car. Looks like the saddle bag thighs some women get into middle age ruining an otherwise attractive figure. Needs lipo!

 

I don’t think the black, un-camouflaged area is a hoax at all. As previously speculated on this thread, it has be left open in order to test/calibrate the ADAS systems.

 

Finally, an F167 mule was spotted with lighter camouflage as shown in the first picture that I tried to improve. Something that stands out by looking at the rear of this mule and which I tried to highlight in the second picture, is the fact that the upper body part seems to be much more prominent than the lower body part. Please correct me if I'm wrong but I can also see some reminiscences of the 812 SF on the mule's right rear fender therefore I've included a picture about it . This is just a modest contribution from an amateur and now I leave to the design experts the technical interpretation of what this mule's body shows.


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The Black panels area may not be a hoax but they are not the final shape either

 

Well, here’s a defence against that because I’m not sure ‘caricature’ or over-styling, which is the implication, is a reasonable criticism of the Comp. I actually think the reverse. I have put a clean picture and a marked picture below to demonstrate what I mean.

The Comp was always going to have extra aero, exactly as the TDF and the GTO before it. A rear ducktail spoiler is not obnoxious or over-styling. In the Comp’s case it picks up a line from forward in the car - highlighted in red. That seems to be sensible, harmonious and pleasing to the eye. Sound design not over-styling. The yellow line highlights the exact treatment the TDF got, adding stance and emphasising the width of the wheels. In the case of the Comp it also has to accommodate the most enormous diffuser, something the TDF’s styling didn’t have to do. This area is a real feature of the TDF but the Comp is at least as well done, in fact it is smoother in the Comp and less boxy. The rear wheel arch vents add to this although in no way are they as impressive as the vents of the TDF - my favourite feature of that car.

The green line highlights a lovely feature of the Comp. The whole car has a very prone stance and falls-forward into the low slung engine area with the bulging front wheel chambers suggesting strength, grip, low CoG but with very smooth lines. It is an obvious way to do it given one of the 812’s styling assets is reduced ‘weight’ ahead of the windscreen, allowed by the lower mounting of the V12. But it is done smoothly and in a beautiful way. Again, it is not over-styling, it is just a simple and familiar concept done well

Notice also how tight the front bodywork is to the front wheels at this angle. With the front lip extending out it is super-aggressive and really appealing visually to me. Also, the rear vents are angled upwards at the same angle as the rear ducktail, plus the carbon fins on the rear lid all point towards the width of that ducktail focal point. You can follow what the air will do just from looking at the car, which seems a neat feature. And the rear vent/rear light treatment is really nice. Flared and smoothed surfacing with a clever idea for the light cluster - keeping the 812’s cluster but changing the appearance to be more harmonious with the way the surfacing works. The TDF doesn’t really do this - not a criticism but a compliment to the Comp. They put real effort in.

The blue line is, to me, the least successful and for some people it reflects a controversial part of the original 812’s design - the aggressive development of the aero bridge idea, first seen in the F12. The 812 takes that to an extreme to gain extra aero advantage but in the process giving the 812’s doors some impressive flaring and creasing - not universally popular but works for me. In the Comp, the line kicks up at the rear arches - something important - but it seems to make the line look a bit messy.

Overall, the Comp has a much nicer rear than the 812. The 812 is more practical and ‘normal’ like the standard car should be. The Comp’s rear is very special in the flesh. It is the favourite car for most of the females in my family and friendship group, over everything else, including 458 and LaF. And in case you were wondering, they are judging only on appearance! I personally think the Comp is simple in thought and execution, despite the numerous details, especially lower down at the sills and the rear diffuser, exhaust and wheel arch venting area. The most controversial thing is the lack of a rear screen, and the TDF does look very good in this area. But the Comp is distinctive and very appealing in the right colour/spec.

Discussions about appearance never lead anywhere and are completely subjective. I don’t really think the Comp is over-styled though. Beautiful or not, and I certainly think it is beautiful, it is an impressive piece of design, worthy of the brand and with a strong identity. I don’t think it quite matches the TDF but it is close, and in some areas nicer. The TDF’s wheel arch vents and front design are ahead of the Comp and just exquisite to me. That is not a criticism of the Comp, merely a very big compliment to the TDF. Fchat has a habit of seeing a compliment for one as an insult to another. But this shouldn’t be a zero-sum game.
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This car has the worse camouflage! This car has a plastic rigid panels over the final body! From this prototype you can read NOTHING! they made the same strategy used in 2008 with the 458! Apply a fake body by panels over the real body. In this way you have zero! Ahaha

Completely useless


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If that's the case, that's great because it means it isn't what looks like .

When I saw the rear of this last mule, where it appears that the upper body is prominent and is kind of suspended on the lower body, for a moment I thought that it was another creative originality by Mr. Manzoni, like the one he used in the Purosangue to give the idea that the body of the car is suspended.

It seems we are back to square one

 

@Lukeylikey that is a beautiful comp! Mind sharing the color. I know some dont like the shape of the 812comp, i love it!

 

Thanks! It’s a TM colour called Arcobaleno Lucido. I think it looks incredible in the sun.

 

no one sees a turtle shell on top of the chassis? the lines make it look like a helmet or shell sitting on top of the chassis to me.

 

What’s the black car top left behind the camo 167?

 

Holy cow, that sort of looks like a 812GTS but not really. Is that the new F167?


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296 GTS.

 

I was unaware of what Ferraricat Member Isot mentioned that the F167 prototype mule that appears in the first picture below uses an illusory fake body made with plastic panels . Isot also said that this strategy of concealment of the real car lines had already been used previously on a Ferrari 458.
Curious and based on this information, I went to find out more about the subject. Apparently a prototype mule of the La Ferrari has been based on a 458 Italia and used a series of removable rigid panels that completely travestied the original car. Below are some pictures of this strange prototype mule that is a treaty in the art of hiding the real thing and also in many other specialties.




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I meant these photos… the 458 (the big jump forward after the 360) was covered by old plastic F430 body panels! The smartest solution to disguise completely the final language of the brand new car!
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I remember and then Ferrari made a mistake and it was court on camera.
and the world had there first look at the 458

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One of these days someone will take a pic of the f167 in the flesh

 

I didn't catch this one on time, but was super-happily surprised on the official reveal.

 

Maybe, maybe not, but this is taking soooooooooo long that chances increase every day. I'm getting the impression (or is it actually) that we're suffering an unusually long late developing/testing/tuning period with F167 before reveal.