296 GTB. died

Giggity?

 

Not sure 2nd and 3rd owners of these cars will find that acceptable. The cost to repair after warranty is going to be astronomical.

 

Talk about a bad run of luck for sure, sorry to hear this. The only saving grace is at least these truly are first-world problems.

As we all know, the current way that dealerships perform service work is essentially parts swapping. They pull codes, then use that info to replace modules / parts until the error codes stop. From a time and labor standpoint (not to mention how complex modern cars are) this does make sense. I do wonder how this is going to work 10 years down the road - will aftermarket/independents have enough experience with these hybrids to be able to actually diagnose the problem? Obviously most enthusiasts , even with a lift ain't doing much wrenching on their own cars.

The Roma/SF90 were the first "complex" Ferraris in my mind, with all the screens and haptic controls. They have had several software updates and things have slowly gotten better in terms of reliability. Hopefully this trend continues, we know they are going to make thousands of GTB/GTS over the next few years.

 

lemon law the 296. or make the factory do an “exchange”
worked well with my 2023 corvette.

 

How long do you think it will take the OP to get a replacement 296? 2 years? More?

A C8 is a mass produced car, that GM can pump out pretty easily, usually within 3-4 months.

A Ferrari? Not so much.

 

well with GM they put you at the front of the line. it all depends on how important it is to Ferrari to satisfy a customer.

 

Exactly, and it still takes about 3 months.

 

I had to have a chuckle at this comment...

Official weight is VERY different to 'ACTUAL weight' with options. Here we have a 296 with 1,926kg (minus the driver!) so with passengers you ARE over 2 tonnes!!! Yikes...

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I do love the seats though.. but is this car made from LEAD? lol

 

That must be with 2 passengers. And luggage.

@Kmaaq weighed his GTB at 1669kg with half a tank of fuel.

https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/296-gtb-weight.671094/

 

Even at 1.7 tonnes, with people (assume 90kg each for adults) your still relatively close to 2 tonnes DIN kerb weight (1,850kg).

Q. How does a smallish V6 3.0 with tiny 16 mile EV range (7.5kw battery) end up being even remotely close to the weight of a Giant P400 AWD Hybrid drive PHEV Range Rover Luxury SUV ? (its 2.3 tonnes if your wondering) which makes the DIN kerb (with passengers) of the 296 come in at the porky end of 78% of the weight the big hybrid SUV. Quite seriously. Where has all the weight come from?

I know we have all sorts of extra stuff to fit like particulate filters and so forth these days but yikes...

 

My friend who received his weighed at local track with full tank at 1655 KG. Standard wheels and no AF. Not super light but 1926 KG……idk where that number comes from.

 

Below a very interesting table with multiple cars that takes no excuse. All the cars were weighted the same day on the same scale by the same people.
It goes to show that some manufacturers are more honest than others shall we say...


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And what to say about the all carbon MC20... Ouch...

 

yes - I trust these figures more… in fact the 296 owners manual quotes a kerb weight (with fluids, fuel, standard equipment (not carbon) + 75kg for driver etc) of 1,825kg so the 1,926kg figure is misquoted.

Still it’s not exactly a light car but it hides it weight welll and shows that batteries and motors are heavy!

My 997 GT3 has kerb weight inc driver 1,390kg - almost half a tonne lighter! and feels sublime but they I guess don’t make them like they used to

 

Sorry, my mistake, the figure is from press release literature at a dealer in Europe, I went back to clarify it and I discovered this paperwork was actually from the 296 GTS (spider) 'real' car, so yes its going to be a bit heavier than the coupe, which I guess is normal. Still even the example I cited shows that even with passengers, fuel and fluids your so close to a large 5 seater Luxury 4WD P400 Range Rover with hybrid powertrain and engine too. How is it that the 296 GTB and GTS are so heavy? It still baffles me they can be so close to a RR. I have a RR myself and its not a light car, not even in the slightest...

 

yes - no denying on paper this is a heavy car but again kerb weight on a RR P400 is closer to 2.5 tonnes so 25% more than a 296 (?) not 10-12%…

Again you are adding a battery (70kg) + 165hp electric motor + generator which together could account for 150-200kg of additional weight that is hard to offset so I think Ferrari has done a decent job to try and keep the weight down… be interesting to see how much lighter they can make the 296VS… I don't think the SF90 VS was that much lighter than the standard…

 

GTS is going to be almost 100 kg more than a coupe, in reality. So if coupes are 1650 KG (with no carbon wheels) spider will be 1750 KG.

Each is about 130 kg lighter than SF90 (coupe and spider). Same friend measured his SF90 coupe (carbon wheels) non AF at 1770 kg.

Do we know how much total weight is saved with the carbon wheels versus the forged wheels? My assumption is around 10 pounds per wheel. From the tests I've seen the carbon wheels actually make a decent difference in performance for the lightweight forged ones. But certainly not enough to justify the OMG cost.

 

My assumption, based on no knowledge, is the 296 vs will be down 30-40 kg (marketed) and up to 875 PS. Sort of like 458 speciale vs regular 458.

Where they can make gains is driver feedback and making the car more raw. Shortening the final gear like Mclaren did with with the 765 would help too.

 

I read the SF90 XX Stradale is only 10kg lighter than the standard car :-D… focus seems to be on the aero these days + modest power increase

 

GTS is 70kg heavier than GTB

 

Off topic, but what was wrong with your Corvette?

 

misfire on 2 cylinders. went to 4 different dealers. all found the same thing but none were motivated to work on it. one dealer thought they found the problem with a cracked spark plug but
misfire continued. another dealer diagnosed a
misfire but thought it might be the torque computer(c8 doesnt have a torques conv, its a dct).
another dealer couldnt locate the fuel injectors which would have solved the problem.
so i was offered a buyback by GM. now have a 2024 c8.

 

The quoted claimed weight for the 296 is DRY weight (according to Ferrari themselves), so no wonder it's not anywhere close to an actual weight.
I don't know of an official kerb weight for the 296, but when Ferrari quoted both for other models, the difference was typically more than 100 kg (105 kg for 458 Speciale, 488 GTB or F8 tributo). Assuming the same for the 296, they would have quoted 1575 kg, which is a lot closer to 1611.

 

Yes you are right. Ferrari does not straight out lie, they just do not provide the useful info when it comes to weight... I thought this review that was made a while back provided apple to apple comparisons in terms of weight. I thought it was informative for once. No marketing bs...

 

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