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Nice shout out to eag on hoovies garage. I got to meet hoovie at Houston car auction 2 yrs ago. Super nice chap. Pretty sure I freaked him out when I asked how the ‘weeeeeezeeerd’ was doing.
Yeah, the thing with Chinese made items is you get what you pay for. If the customer wants to save money and be cheap, they will get cheap. If they want high quality and wiling to pay, they get quality. Someone mentioned Apple. Tim Cook is on record saying he could fill a whole stadium with excellent Chinese tooling engineers. https://www.inc.com/glenn-leibowitz/apple-ceo-tim-cook-this-is-number-1-reason-we-make-iphones-in-china-its-not-what-you-think.html
I've been involved with quite a bit of production in China, the price I said is ballpark-accurate and end result would be appropriate and correct for automotive applications. The only expensive part to produce in this kit are the cast parts, as the molding is expensive. But after the mold has been done, cost-per-unit is a couple of dollars, including the required treatments. The parts with incorrect metals, tolerances and post processing is a failure in their production process specification. It is not a failure in producing things in China. If you know the right people (and I don't mean the suppliers in Alibaba), you can send them a part from a kit, and they will 1:1 reverse engineer it for you, including the heat treatments and metallurgy. That's also why I think you and others are hesitant on doing it with the Chinese, as within a week your kit would show up as a 100% copy on every online retailer. And there is nothing wrong with that. (that being, not doing it with the Chinese) But I would recommend vetting your customers to make sure your kits don't go to China to be copied, as they are perfectly able to do so, if they see there is a monetary incentive for them. But you are correct, it does require a lot of engineering time and proper QC, and I doubt anyone will do them in sufficient quantities to make Chinese production worth their while. Unless the Chinese themselves take it upon themselves to do this. That is the risk, as they are pretty apt these days and will buy kits from abroad and 100% carbon copy them, including all the engineering work people do in Europe and USA.
There already is a kit being made in China. Billet too. Sent from my toilet using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Billet is likely equal performance to EAG kit. Based on the pictures, the Cambio kit has more cast parts? I may be completely off here though. But billet is billet.
I was mainly talking about the shifter housing. Are you saying that billet is just as good as bolted together pieces of stock? Sent from my toilet using FerrariChat.com mobile app
do not under estimate Chinese mfg and Eng.. they design build and supply complex drilling rigs and equipment for oil and gas…. true that on rev engineering—- they are masters.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the original kit itself largely a reverse engineering exercise? Copying the factory setup with maybe an improvement here and there that the factory didn't make due to manufacturing economics etc?
If Ferrari could keep pace (not they would want to) and offer new replacement OEM parts then a lot of groups would not need to engineer anything.
I don’t think Ferrari would ever do that.They prefer to keep cars as coming from factory.They would never be a supplier of parts for conversion.
As I say in all these threads, I had an exhaust related CEL with my 360, and I spent a LOT of money trying to get it to go away. Art and EAG fixed it, and for not that much. We discussed a 612 conversion, and he had billet parts designed that were better than the factory originals, in terms of strength and durability. Conversions are not rocket surgery anymore.
I think the F1 system is perfectly fine. Especially considering the time these cars were made. I don’t think there were many bad reviews on it or at least not that I’ve seen. It was the latest for the era and faster than a manual which is all that was needed.
Time will tell how many owners keep f1 cars vs sell or convert. I’ve yet to see a gated car converted to f1.
The F1 is weird in that even in manual mode it shifts for you depending on certain scenarios. They have since left my mind since converted so long ago but it was annoying. I think would auto up shift 1st if at the rev limit and then also auto down from 4 to 3. I forget the rest.
If you are in Normal for a 360, F1 will upshift for you at redline. In Sport, only the paddles control the upshifts. The system will automatically downshift for you if you lug the engine, but that is about it. Someone who knows what he is doing never sees either of those. Most F1 issues are with poor/no maintenance and owners who do not understand how the system works or never learned how to drive F1 smoothly.
Thanks. I did always drive in wet mode since the roads in CA are junk. Probably encountered the 4 to 3 in sweeping hwy entry applying the gas. I just got rid of all that with the conversion and happy now.
And that will never happen even if F1 was the greatest ever. The value of the manuals due to rarity would keep any sane person from doing a swap. Doesn’t mean that someone hasn’t sold a manual and bought an F1 though. Plus a gated manual is something most of us always associated with Ferrari growing up. The 360’s and F430’s are now the “my first Ferrari” car and those of us that finally are able to have our dreams come true want the gated experience. Trust me, if the gated cars were of equivalent value, I doubt the conversion market would be anywhere near where it is now.
Yeah, you are an *****. Because you still can't come up with a reason as to why you think that Dan is dishonest.
Well, he said he wanted to fly haters out to meet him and @RedNeck and I would like to participate so I guess we'll see [emoji41] Sent from my toilet using FerrariChat.com mobile app
I believe you assigned that factor to me when I was letting people know Art is a fraud. I won't wait for an. apology ......
Well, there's a reason why he's banned here. The most recent is the participation in misrepresenting the 458 ..."manual"....with EAG. If you think that was honest....well, you're the a**hole. Forgive me if I don't participate in your circle jerk with the biggest dork in Texas.
If we are just going around calling names now, why are these new members or members that that have been here for years, but have contributed very little, if anything, to the forums all such NGSC nuthuggers?
Thanks for the detailed info on costs - very helpful! Just curious, why did you need “new ECUs”? Can’t the original ones be reprogrammed? Unless you did it to keep an unaltered version?
