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43733 Light Recommissioning and a Lot of Questions

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  1. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

    Oct 24, 2023
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    Hello!

    I finally got my 400i Manual # 43733 home yesterday!
    My colleague and I towed her from the Dutch/Belgian border to close to Stuttgart in southern Germany - using a 78 bhp VW Bus...
    The pace was leisurely
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    Today I skipped work early, and first went and washed the car:
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    Looks much better!

    And then started with a major service: changed the oil, oil filters, gearbox oil and diff oil:
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    Note: you need 2 oil pans to catch all that oil!
     
  2. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

    Oct 24, 2023
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    Still to do:

    Air filters
    Fuel filters
    Brake fluid
    Air intake hoses.

    Also, things that don't work:

    Bonnet doesn't close on the left side, lock appears stuck.
    Tank flap doesn't open electrically.
    Central locking.
    Fog lights?
    Instrumentation lights
    The passenger side mirror is not electric, surely it's supposed to be?

    And the paint will get a good polish, the leather needs feeding and cleaning and the underside needs some rustproofing!

    Wish me luck!

    Esben
     
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  3. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Esben,

    Wow, your car looks fantastic! I am surprised that the 78 HP VW Bus was able to transport your car, given how your car much it weighs. I did something similar, but in my case I transported my 365 with a BMW X5 (4.4L engine) that had over 300 HP and it still strained a bit going up higher elevations. That said, you got home safe and sound with your car and so that is all that matters.

    I wish you many miles with smiles with your car!

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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  4. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

    Oct 24, 2023
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    Thanks Sam!
    Towing with a V8 BMW is alike to cheating :p

    Regarding the right hand mirror: I'm now sure that it's supposed to be electrically adjustable, and also that they are rare as hen's teeth and painfully expensive.
    Has anyone found a suitable alternative?

    Cheers

    Esben
     
  5. SouthJersey400i

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    71Vette
    We may have something in common. I owned and self-maintained an '84 400i Auto for 16 years. I finally got too old and creaky to maintain it. I sold it last April and bought a 2014 Vette Z51.
    As for the fuel door, it may be a mechanical issue. Although not a difficult task, I probably worked on that fuel door more than any other single thing on my car. The hinge and latch must be well adjusted plus light lube. If truly an electrical issue it is likely the console switch; you can test that by temporarily swapping the switch with the one for trunk. The 3 switches are identical except for the name plaque, and they are available. I also had issues with connector on the bottom of the switch.
    The mirror issue may be the switch in the door. It is a BMW part from late 70's, a 3- series, not expensive and available. BMW has switches for one or both mirrors, you need both.
    Keep posting your issues; I have faced most everything. Check fuel pump contacts on fuse/relay panel. If they look brown/burned, you have some work to do.
    Ken
     
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  6. raemin

    raemin Formula 3

    Jan 16, 2007
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    Yes and some of the mirror mechanism can also be salvaged from the BMW.

    I've also found a pair of red, non electric, mirrors that do have a dummy platic bit insted of the motors. Can be used for spare and much cheaper than the vitaloni turbo visiomatic.
     
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  7. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

    Oct 24, 2023
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    Thanks guys!
    I'm almost certain that the right hand side mirror is a Vitaloni Baby Turbo, without the electric mechanism.
    Are you saying it might be possible to retrofit the mechanism from a BMW to that mirror, and basically turn it into a "Turbo" without the "Baby"?
    Do you know what model BMW I should be looking for?

    Esben
     
  8. Schumi

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    The fog lights could just be that you don't have the switches all turned on correctly. The switch on the console and the light bar on the steering column.
    The instrument lights could be the little knob that turns them up or down in brightness.
     
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  9. 71Vette

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    Eurospares have a picture of a much bigger rectangular mirror as being correct, and I've also seen pictures of cars with these:
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    When did the mirrors change? And does anyone know the name of the rectangular mirror?

    Cheers

    Esben
     
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  10. SouthJersey400i

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    The larger mirrors are Volvo parts and were used on the earlier Series 1 400i's. Hence availability.
    I believe the door switch is from a 318 (maybe 316-320) so the mirror pieces maybe same model.
     
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  11. 71Vette

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    I'm a bit unsure of how to progress with the mirrors. The very few original spec Vitaloni Turbos I have found were extremely expensive - "worst" was 2450€ for a single one
    I've found a pair of red ones for 1200€, I might consider getting those and respraying them black or the blue colour of the car.

    I had another look at the electrics today, and we have the following situation:

    Brake lights don't work.
    RH tail lamp doesn't work.
    The day-time lights at the front don't work.
    A number of fuses were blown, but replacing them didn't seem to sort anything...

    I've already got the voltmeter out, we'll see what tomorrow brings!

    Regarding the engine and diff mounts: is there a minimum in-use "thickness" of the mounts?

    Cheers

    Esben
     
  12. SouthJersey400i

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    Welcome to the world of 400i's! Most issues I had in 16 years were electrical. I hope you are young and flexible enough to spend time hovering in the fuse/relay panel. Again, check the terminals of the wires leaving that panel looking for burned connections. Obviously, check the bulbs and I would recommend most of them to LEDs. For red and amber, they recommend the colored LEDs to match the lenses. Take one at a time and plan on spending a lot of time. Be sure the fog lights re actually connected; mine were not as it was a US car. Keep the questions flowing.....
    Ken
     
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  13. raemin

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  14. 71Vette

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    Hi Ken,

    I'm 47 years old, 6'7" and don't exactly have the build of a marathon runner - but a friend of mine is an excellent chiropraktor ;)

    Cheers

    Esben
     
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  15. 71Vette

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    A little update:

    - all the fluids have been changed
    - the lights* work after having cleaned various contacts
    - the car is now registered

    So, did I go for a drive? No...
    The brake lights don't work :mad: The switch works, but there is no juice getting to it.
    Where does the feed wire (the red one I suppose) originate? There doesn't seem to be fuse for it.
    What would help is a legible wiring diagram, the one in the owner's manual pdf I have isn't much use.

    Cheers

    Esben
     
  16. Tojo

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    The wiring diagrams here are well worth the small investment http://www.ferrari308gtbi.com/


    Sent from my iPad using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
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  17. SouthJersey400i

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    I believe the wire at the brake light switch is on the ground and therefore not "hot".
    I had Kinkos print a D-size wiring diagram; in 16 years I used it OFTEN!
    Ken
     
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  18. 71Vette

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    I found those too, and wanted to order one straight away. However, the website seems "dead". I tried writing an email too, but no response so far!

    Cheers

    Esben
     
  19. 71Vette

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    Hi Ken,

    Wouldn't that be highly unusual?
    The "feed" appears to come from Relay #112 (RH, very top row in the fuse box), but I can't tell which pin from the pdf wiring diagram.
    One thing that crossed my mind very late last night is whether the brake lights maybe onle work with the ignition on? That would explain things...

    Esben
     
  20. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Esben,

    I do not know if it is the same on the 400i series, but the 400GT and the 365 GT4 2+2 brakes lights are only fed +12V when the ignition key is on. I would assume this is the case for the 400i as well.

    Also, I think the owner of the site (http://www.ferrari308gtbi.com/) that produced the colored wiring diagrams passed away... I could be mistaken, but I seem to remember a past thread that mentioned this.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
  21. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

    Oct 24, 2023
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    Hi Sam,

    If the 12V + ferd is only live when the ignition is on, then I'm an idiot and the next round of beer is on me !

    If the diagrams from the 308 site are no longer available because the owner is deceased, would somebody be willing to sell me a copy of theirs?

    Cheers

    Esben
     
  22. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

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    Sam,
    It turns out that I am an idiot....
    Brake lights work now, all that was needed was some solid advice and a bit of contact cleaner!

    Esben
     
  23. 71Vette

    71Vette Karting

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    So,
    Got the numberplates fitted and took her for a first proper drive!


    She drives quite well, but I think the right bank is running too rich. It has some stumbling at low rpm and load, but I think that has to do with the richness. Any tips on where to look for specific info on the K-jetronic in these Ferraris?

    I spent the morning (yes, took the day off ) partially recolourizing the leather. I'm really happy with the result!
     
  24. samsaprunoff

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    Good day Esben,

    You are too harsh on yourself! Technically there is no standard in terms of brake lights working with or without the ignition key... one could make arguments either way and so vehicle manufacturers did whatever suited them best. That said, the bright side (if you can forgive the pun)... means that the "repair" was probably one of the easiest ones you have encountered :)

    I would check and clean all of the contacts on all of the bulbs (and fuses too) besides the brake lights. Over time the contacts do oxidize and contact cleaner will certainly help. However, a bit of some cleaning, light sand paper, and perhaps some light coating of grease will minimize any potential intermittent issues in the future.

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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  25. samsaprunoff

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    Good day again Esben,

    Wow, your car looks great! Well done!

    Cheers,

    Sam
     
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