1968 330 GTC - #11017 on BaT

Does anyone know the history of this car? I was shocked to see the car presented with rust bubbles on the left rear quarter panel (see pix 50, 82, 84 & 110). And the ad indicates extensive body repair before the repaint. Makes one wonder???

"This example was refinished in its factory shade of Argento Silver during the refurbishment that was completed approximately 10 years ago, which also included repairs to the fenders, rocker panels, quarter panels, door panels, and various other areas of sheet metal."

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-ferrari-330-3/#comments-anchor

 

In your link you have the Marcel Massini report so also the history of this car .

 

Part of it only, and it ends in 2014, ten years ago.......

Marcel Massini

 

That's not the kind of history I had in mind. I'm more interested in how the car was kept and ultimately restored. Was this always a good car...or was it neglected and misused at some point in it's history?

 

There comes a time. You gotta pick one and leave the others behind.

 

Notice that the two headlight trim rings are of different sizes? Why present a car that way?

 

The grille seems to droop toward the driver's side as well.

 

Strange that. Makes one wonder if it has been through major front rebuild at some point.

 

Something happened on that corner.

 

I saw that, too. And the opening is somewhat irregular as well. I didn't want to be in the position of being hypercritical of the car on BaT, as I'm not a buyer at the time...but the way people fawn all over these cars without asking any hard questions is a challenge to comprehend. To me, this car was probably a mess 10-15 years ago and got patched back together to a decent standard...but not what I would want to end up with for $500-$800K...

 

Another questionable area is around the right rear tail light in picture 74. Looks like some rust or paint missing around the circular lamp...and the style line on the quarter panel does not continue in a straight line from the trunk lid lip as it does on the left side...as seen in picture 71.

 

The two front corners definitely don't match. Note also the different shapes of the headlamp scallops as best seen comparing photos 60 and 61.

 

I noticed that, too. Someone here has to know the repair/restoration details on this car...

 

If important, why not just ask the consignor/seller to provide them ?

 

I think if they wanted to provide that they would have. When you have a less than perfect car for sale on BAT it's easier to make top dollar by letting people just bid on what they see. (or don't see)

 

Some sellers when asked a direct question about a specific issue often deflect or fail to respond.

 

I love how, when asked about shoddy paintwork on the rear, this seller replied "typical Ferrari micro fissures", as if that was a thing.

 

Having had bought & sold 1000+* vehicles in past 45+ years, I fully understand that, but what I don’t is that if someone, lets say OP, is concerned about any issues on the subject they’re perhaps looking to acquire, why not ask directly and if satisfactory disclosure is not provided, either bid/offer accordingly or just move on.
Asking advise or opinions from random strangers in some forum isn’t likely going to be helpful either.

**Never through an auction though and vast majority over 30 years ago.

 

Several strangers here aren't that random, but of course when it comes to free advice you are highly dependent on others' honesty and generosity....

 

... not to mention knowledge.
Like in any other forums, there often are "not that random" regular contributor sharing advise or expressing opinions, while not having any actual, first-hand, i.e. meaningful experience with a specific subject or others like it.
OTOH, like you noted with "free advice" and most other things in life, one gets what one is paying for.

 

Apparently, young folks have what they call a body count. This car is almost 60 years old. Can you imagine the number of people who have worked on this car over all these years? I'm not defending the seller. But if you want a #2+ car, you're going to have to pay big bucks. When I brought my GTC almost 20 years ago, I put it up on a lift and was able to see all kinds of dings. The greatest concern was the radiator looked like it had bottomed out. There were other stories here and there, but I brought the car anyway. Of course, I only paid $90k, but that was a lot of dough for me!

That said, I would never buy an old car on the Internet.

 

I agree with everything you said, I just think the guy pulled the term "typical Ferrari micro fissures" out of........thin air.

 

What I meant is that if you are paying attention, reading the right posts by the right people will help rather than hinder.

 

I hear/read you and generally tend to pay attention, but so far, other than posts #2 & #3, both which OP dismissed, or my suggestion in post #14, I don't see any replies directly addressing his initial inquiry of "Does anyone know the history of this car?".

So which "right posts by right people" are you referring to in this case/thread ?
Just (mildly) curious.

 

I get that you only tend to pay attention and are only mildly curious…but…

The folks using their eyes to see what is likely poorly repaired crash damage actually ARE contributing and answering the initial question. Are they publishing a formal report? No. Are they making salient observations directly related to an issue not addressed in “the history”…? Yes.

This entire thread will become a part of the history of the car. The seller might not appreciate it, but a prospective buyer would probably prefer to figure out this issue, rather than pretend it doesn’t exist.

The “history” of a relatively mundane #3 condition production car is often an iterative process.

In other words…would you prefer, “nope, nothing in my history files” over relevant observations that highlight the lack of (or, even worse, the hiding of) the actual events…?