FORMULA 1 ROLEX AUSTRALIAN GRAND PRIX 2024 - Melbourne....Race.... ▄▀▄▀▄▀ SPOILERS ▄▀▄▀▄▀

Well, I am still not convinced that Alonso provoked Russell to lose control. He did that himself.
As far as I can understand, Alonso prepared for the next DRS zone where he intended to resist Russell's pass.
I put that down to the hybrid system, and the need to slow down and brake to recharge the battery.
It happens all the time, maybe this time Alonso did it more violently and Russell didn't anticipate.
Is he to blame if there was no contact ? It's part and parcel of modern racing ... regretably.

 

Frankly I don’t know.
Maybe the last 15 laps..

 

Ferrari engineers have “been sure” on a lot of things the past few years but that doesn’t mean they’ve ever been right!

Hell, Max was already pulling away from Carlos just in the first lap even with his problem.

Hopefully they’ve got it together and can bring the fight to Red Bull but until they can beat him wheel to wheel on the track I’m not a believer. Hopefully this is the turning point for us.

Lol, like I tell my kids in sports “show me, don’t tell me.”

 

I don’t mind if he did and he shouldn’t be penalized. That’s racing and tough crap for Boy George.

 

Ok thanks.

 

Let's not exagerate one way or the other.
A win is a win, and Ferrari won. But the circumstances don't call for complacency.
Red Bull and Max were not defeated yesterday, they failed because of bad preparation, IMO.
Unforgetable for a team of their calibre.

 

Honestly I think it's Russell at fault, if Alonso slowed that early Russell should have seen it very clearly but he didn't react until Alonso was at the apex, way after he should have reacted. I think he was not watching Alonso but instead trying to nail his marks so he could get a perfect exit and then all of a sudden saw Alonso moving slower when it was too late to adjust. He just saw it too late because he was focusing on his line not also watching the car in front. Russell was not close enough for a 'brake check', you have to be nose to tail. That said, it's a risky move as you put yourself at risk of getting punted if the guy behind isn't paying attention or can't slow if there's a train of cars behind (neither of which should be the case in the last lap or two in a race that hasn't had a recent sc).

 

There's all this talk of "dirty air", but George loses the rear of his car first. Looks more like classic lift off oversteer to me, caused by his lifting/braking much more than he was expecting due to FA parking it before the turn-in.

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Forgot to mention what happened before (held out for 2 laps) and what happened after (pulled a nice gap).

And CL said as much.

 

He speaks with a french accsont and got the french tooch?
Team leader he most definitely isn't.

F has clearly lost its marbles hiring LH and hopefully Sainz goes to RB and fulfills his potential.

 

So, the wake that reduces the downforce for the following car, is the fault of the driver ahead ?

 

Lol

 

In soccer terms it's pulling a Suarez, who was unceremoniously dumped from Barca, went to Atletico and won the La Liga.
Hope Sainz does the same. F deserves it.

 

Don't forget the 2.1 second pit that Charles got. That just got him out ahead of checo and Alonso. He had to really fight those two right out of the pits I think the team put a heck of a race together. Could RB have won, sure, but they didn't. The cars, drivers and crew worked and put two red cars on the top step. Forza Ferrari

 

He was held out for two laps, but he also was running in clean air and not in a McLaren sandwich for the first stint. Sainz also said that his tires were feeling good. Team orders to hold position and Leclerc not challenging ensued. I will say that I’m not sure he would have been able to make first stick for the rest of the race anyway, so it’s moot. Sainz only finished a few seconds ahead, so what about vastly superior pace? I was team Sainz when it came to him staying with Ferrari and think it was pretty ****ty not to give him an extension in favor of Lewis Hamilton.

That said, triple or nothing?

 

That's exactly what I think. I didn't see any deliberate "brake check" from Alonso, just Russell failing to react in time.

 

Yeah, I owe you a win

 

I’m guessing you have never raced a car? This is a ridiculous opinion. In fact it’s comical, so thank you for entertaining us.

it’s quite clear that what Alonso did wasn’t just a mild adaptation of his usual car control at that corner. Her brakes 100m earlier than any other lap. In an F1 car, that’s a huge amount. Absolutely massive. No following driver will have expected that, and as a direct result of being caught by surprise, Russel lifted off abruptly with steering lock on thereby inducing oversteer and losing the car. The stewards interpretation of the incident appears clear and accurate.

I am pretty sure Alonso didn’t set out to cause Russel to crash. But in messing up his games, he triggered the chain of events which resulted in the crash. It’s 100% Alonsos fault. Penalty valid. End of story.

 

this just shows how ridiculous the penalty is

 

I didn't see that analysis nor have I ever driven an F1 car (only had one experience in a car with significant aero for a lap of the 'Ring as a passenger in a Radical, which was unworldly), but how can "losing front wing load" result in oversteer?

That was what George reacted to - with a very healthy amount of oppo as shown in the screengrab I posted above.
He had to brake WAY more than normal, and way more than he was expecting, thanks to FA's early and heavier braking.

 

True - George didn't have to brake more than normal and lose the back end, he could have just plowed into FA