360 Spider Roof Help - Qavion Are You Out There?

I have been chasing a very specific issue on my top. I currently have it at a local specialist who has done a full alignment and replaced all the elastics. Cylinders are all good, so we are down to one last issue which seems to be electrical, but we are having a difficult time chasing it down.

The issue is this - when closing the top everything works fine but it won't finish the cycle when the tonneau cover is closed. The pump will just keep running and the dash light stays on. If you release and then re-engage the switch it will finish the cycle and everything is fine. Similarly when going back up it again gets to the point when the cover is fully closed (top is still half closed) and will stop. Toggle the switch and closes fine.

The obvious would be tonneau closed micro swtich, but that seems to fine. Could it be the ECU? Thoughts?

Thanks!

 

While we wait for the maestro to respond, have you reset the ECU, i.e. power off/on?
Sometimes that worked for the windows and HVAC ECUs

Good luck

 

Yes - I regularly turn the battery switch off and have disconnected the battery a few times as well. If there is another way to reset that I am not thinking of please let me know. I was thinking if it is a possible ECU issue I would get a used one and swap it...but that is a pricey "try it" option.

 

Curious about this as well. I see this issue every now and then.

 

It is most likely a micro switch ...when you stop pressing button the frame releases tension and moves the switch slightly so it works the next time

Next to use a diag tool to monitor all switches on roof and see which changes

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I had this issue and I adjusted the micro switch and it fixed it. You can also replace it - easy to do and not that expensive.

The switches are really small and sensitive; I have seen them get mid aligned easily.

You can rule it out by manually pressing the micro switch at that specific step in the process. If it closes normally, then replace the switch. Otherwise you have an ecu issue (unlikely imo)


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If it is a microswitch issue I assume it will most likely be one of the four (?) around the back lid? That seems to be the area since it stops working in either direction once the cover hits its closed position. Thinking 12-14 on this diagram?

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it's the one behind the driver's head.

 

Yeah - I already replaced that one.

 

Why guess use a diagnostic tool and look at the position of each of the switches that are connected with the roof and you'll easily figure out which one it is...if a switch

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@CW5150 - I made a video showing exactly how the microswitch should function when the capote lid snaps shut.



Hope it helps!

 

For sure - that’s the plan. Just thinking about starting in the most likely place first

 

Wow - great video! Great to see everything with that detail.

 

Maybe I'm not explaining myself correctly but if you just let the roof go up and down and monitor it on even a simple tool like an ap200 you could see where and which switch is not acting appropriately without touching the car


Did you already pull cides on Capote sub system
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Update - frustratingly still chasing down this issue. We were unable to find any faults running back the solenoids. I have gone so far as getting a replacement ECU - unsurprisingly made no difference. Actually if anything it had gotten a little worse prior to trying the ECU swap. To recap - fluid is full, new elastics through entire top and alignment completed. On the down movement it will now get to the lid closing motion and stop - that is as far as it will go (before the lid would close but still give the top moving warning on the dash). When I let go of the switch I can whoosh of pressure releasing - like one of the solenoids is holding pressure. Going back up it will stop at the half-folded position, and again letting of the switch is followed by a noise of pressure releasing. Rocking the switch will get back in the closed position, but the dash light will stay on. If I turn the battery switch off and back on it clears the error.

Not sure what to try next...

 

Were you able to monitor live data with a diagnostic tool.and look at each sensor and see if anyone looks wrong

Also any error codes stored in Capote system using a diagnostic tool

I have asked this a few times but not sure if you actually are doing what I suggest ..if you don't want to do it or can't please let me know and I will go away

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Sorry if that wasn’t clear…I don’t have a scan tool that can pull that level of detail. Car was at a top specialist for a week and they told me they did a full scan and couldn’t find any faults. I wasn’t there - just taking them for their word. If you can recommend a good tool I will take a look at doing more diagnostic myself. I see you had mentioned the AP200 but the reviews online seem a little spotty? Is there something better? Thanks again…

 

Sorry... in the middle of a house move.... not so much time for the forum. Having said that, I can't explain why moving the switch a second time would make any difference.

Initially, you said "when closing the top everything works fine but it ...", but I don't understand why you said "Similarly, when going back up again... ". Did you mean to say "when opening the top"?

 

Without a diag tool you will be guessing and throwing parts at it

Get the ap200..it is perfect for the 360 s a read only type diag tool which is needed here ..very inexpensive and will give you the live data we need to track down a bad micro switch and pull and errors (if any)

Do you yourself a favor for this issue and future issues buy it.

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Totally understand - thanks for jumping in! Let me clarify:

Opening:
Previously: top would cycle fully but after the rear lid closed the pump would keep running and the dash light would stay on. If I rocked the switch briefly between open and close it would finish. Also if I turned the car off the light would clear. Now: top goes until the lid close motion and stops. Won’t do anything more with open top cycle even if I move the switch between close and open.
Closing:
Top will get to the half closed position and stop. When I release the switch I can hear pressure release from the solenoid. When I re-engage the switch to the close position it will close but the light on the dash stays on. If I turn the car off and back on it clears the dash light.

 

Thanks - ordered. Should be here tomorrow so I’ll try to run a cycle and report back.

 

So we have to hope that there is something in common with both opening and closing.

Part of the opening sequence:

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The text seems to be saying that if you satisfy the logic in Step 9, that the cover closes and, simultaneously, the flap motor is started (see Step 10). What doesn't make sense is that the cover is closing, but the flap motor is not closing the flaps. Is there something unique to flap closing section? Are E.F/A and E.F/Z playing up (again?)

Anyway, hopefully your new scanner will tell you what is going on.

If you don't already have it, here is the pdf file showing the steps..

 

Did you get it

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I did...just came in from running a few cycles. I ran live data for two full cycles but I am not seeing anything jump out on the data...but I also don't really know what I am looking for. A scan of the capote module gives me the following. Low battery is a stored fault - battery is almost knew and was fully charged. The speed sensor is because I drove it home with the dash light still on from the top repair place. The other two codes I don't know - love "Unknown Trouble Code" - that is very helpful!


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Also made a video