What is our price? Art was the problem. And we are the ones that closed EAGs two / three year backlog in less than a year. You don't need to send us the car. You can get the kit for close to the same price as any competition. And that only applies to V8's. We have everything for V12s and we invite you to have your local techs install. Call for pricing
To add a bit... Our customer base understands investments When there are violations to an investment there are complications We are at the very least carrying the torch that otherwise would have been put out in a vat of kerosene. But we aren't letting that happen and standing behind the clients that would have never received their cars back in one piece. Our track record is solid. Eric you don't want us to expose all the issues we found with your work. So half price kits. Sell them we will match the price and we know what we are doing. I'm not the one to pick a fight with.
While I don't have a horse in this race (que jokes about my screen name) I think this could be an interesting chapter in the manual conversion game. My gripe with EAG has always been the way a certain person has handled things as well as the d bags they had representing them. I have great dealings with Dr. S and Modena Lucerna and run a part from each in my pieced together/homemade conversion. I think there are niches to fill by each. I see Dr. S as a great option for an OEM based conversion. He also seems like a great guy from our interactions. The clutch pedal I have from him well exceeded my expectations. Modena Lucerna seems to want take OEM and improve upon the designs with touches of newer technology. The up/down shift linkage arm I have is absolutely beautiful and works great. Unfortunately the weather here is **** and I only have 10 miles on it haha. EAG has always done it's own thing with what appears to me to be attempts at improving shifter feel. I'm not a fan of a lot of the work I've seen, but without a certain person involved, perhaps they can turn over a new leaf and expand upon that vision and create something better with higher quality parts. Each new iteration appears to be an improvement besides the multi piece shifter housing, but perhaps that will be revamped too. I was very apprehensive at first about the newer people involved turning things around, but their actions seemed like they could do it. We shall see. Sent from my toilet using FerrariChat.com mobile app
Where I cannot speak positively or negatively about either Dr S or Lucerna, I can say the two piece box that Art / EAG designed is no longer a thing. Everyone that has received the newest iteration of the product says it's flawless. All the clickiticky clacks and reliability. Where Dr S falls short is their ECU programming, it is just a delete of communication and that is not a real solution. Anyone can replicate factory parts. Lucerna replicates factory parts and uses Trev to program. That's a better option than Dr S. This coming from someone who is involved. Again anyone can replicate factory parts..... Italian New Jersey two fingers and thumb shaking emoji. I can't find the right visual but you understand. Now... the people who do a job well are the ones who've done it a hundred times and the people who actually know how these things tik. We are those people. We know the difference between each product offering and ours is superior. Not only because of the finished parts product but because of our guidance and or knowhow. The kits installed by Ferrari dealers and independent repair shops have had great success and happy customers. With all the age guards and intended safety from factory software.
How about a new thread that discusses what is in the latest EAG/Macchina kit? I don't know enough about what is currently included to consider it.
Administrator note: EAG still has about a week left of their sponsorship. I believe NewCo (Macchina) has had access of the NewEAG account, but that account will be frozen after the sponsorship ends. Art/Old EAG have still been allowed to post commercially as I'm not jury between the parties (there may eventually be a real jury). Macchina has talked about being a new sponsor. No one can post commercially after next week unless a sponsor. Everyone can still defend the "history" with a personal account.
How do you square that sweeping statement with the dozens of EAG converted 430s that have non-functioning e-diffs? Wild.
Not having Dr S tuning, nor having driven a car with it, I can't really comment on that. I don't think it's entirely fair to say that anyone can replicate factory parts. Sure, it's a lot easier not having to fully design the parts, but to make them properly with casting and machining them can be a bit of a chore. Being in the casting and machining industry since I was 21, that is what I prefer to see, one piece designs, not bolted together stock. Ferrari had a bit of R&D behind their designs. The vast majority of their manual parts have held up rather well to the test of time, so I don't think OEM based is really a bad thing. As for the superiority, I guess we will just have to see with the new designs. I would much rather see objective reasoning given as to what makes these designs superior instead of the EAG GOOD EVERYONE ELSE BAD crap that a certain someone pushed and used multiple fake accounts on here and social media to try and shut up everyone with a dissenting opinion. Casting and machining technology has improved a lot over the past 25 years, so making parts with much tighter tolerances than OEM is well within the realm of possibilities. This alone gives plenty of room for improvement to be made on the oem designs. Either way, I look forward to seeing your new offerings. Sent from my toilet using FerrariChat.com mobile app
There maybe cars with non functioning ediffs as well as converted cars with sticky buttons. I don't see how that is relevant.
I agree with this in totality. The truth is there are differences between the products. The 430 tower is one piece now. I've had the pleasure of driving factory and the latest conversions we finished this year and ours is smoother. I have not had the chance to drive any other competitors. The biggest differences come with accessibility for parts or installers, software and customer support. Amex and Visa have nearly identical products with identical functions. I choose Amex for obvious reasons.
The non functioning e-diffs on the cars I mentioned are not cosmetic issues unrelated to conversions like sticky buttons, faded paint, tears in a convertible top, etc.. The cars I am talking about have non functioning e-diffs because EAG cut corners in the conversion process and either installed an e-diff bypass or simply didn't code for / install the wiring harness needed to operate the e-diff. It's insane to claim you can charge the highest prices because you're the best when there is a ton of evidence to the contrary.
I think some information is missing before anybody can make claims in any regard. Hopefully, MachVec will make a proper introduction and outline exactly what part(s) of the former EAG are being carried over to them and what's new. Hopefully any claims or promises can also be made with a bit of humbleness as I would imagine any claims of greatness/excellence will be taken with a grain of salt considering the shaky foundations all this is being built on. I'm not sure how others feel, but I've never purchased something on any sort of self promotion. If you have a good product, it stands on its own and doesn't need a cheerleader, satisfied customers will do that for them. Once someone starts spouting off how their item is the best/greatest, it tends to sour me on them if for no other reason than to not deal with someone with the mentality that nobody else is better. That said, I'm glad to hear there are more options for us as enthusiasts and hopefully this new company comes through with community support.
Can you further explain exactly the meaning of this passage? "or any remaining members of EAG". Is there no overlap of employees? What defines a "member". Management, ownership stake, employee of any kind? I think its important for clarity.
MachVec, How much for a lightly used F1 for me to put on the shelf as a spare to my current F1? Yes, this is a serious inquiry! Kevin
Community…I’d ask you all to give @MachVec (Otto) the benefit of the doubt here. I have personal experience with the EAG situation as my car sat there for over two years. Otto is a man of his word. He has integrity. He cares about his customers and co-workers. Otto stepped in while at EAG to help get my car back together and out the door with EAG’s first version of the 575m kit. It wasn’t perfected. I believe he has helped dozens of people in our community get their cars out of EAG. He has gone out of his way, literally, to get my car on the road. He flew out two of his techs, Billy and Mike, to stay at my house this week to install their latest kit. This kit works and it is glorious. I've got a thread on this conversion process with EAG dating back to early 2021 on the 575 forum. I’ll put a link below. We as a community are fortunate that Otto has entered into this business. https://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/threads/575m-f1-to-gated-6-manual-conversion.639636/page-43#post-149591101
I second this.What are you referencing exactly. The cars we delivered this year had functioning ediffs. There was one person who wanted the delete module and that was his decision. I don't promote that. It's crazy to have a car with that power with no assistance. Fully agree. However what makes you think older cars done don't have functioning ediffs?
The sarcastic reference was because there are cars with issues...doesn't make it the fault of the conversion or converter. And I'm defending Art here. The cars they did in the early days or before last year I cannot verify one way or the other.
Thank you 2x. Couple people here cant accept the fact that my ediff works on the scud, even to the extent as insinuating Trev has lied to me about it being programmed properly. Sad.
I honestly do not know. I don't work with either company. I didn't deal with this issue with my conversion, but my shifter is not from either of them. I initially had some issues with shifting, but was able to adjust all of them out. I did drive a 430 with a Dr. S shifter and don't recall that issue. Sent from my toilet using FerrariChat.com mobile app
