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  1. Kent Adams

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    My e-diff didn't work and Art said it had to do with the F1 pump. Ferrari diagnostics said it didn't have to do with the F1 pump, which they claim was fully functional. Art made no less than 5 promises to fix it and never did. I added an e-diff delete and sold the car to Dan Hurlbert with full disclosure. He resold it out.
     
  2. Zed82

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    That’s weird because my earlier conversion has a working e-diff.
     
  3. Kent Adams

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    EAG didn't do your conversion, that may be why. EAG didn't bring all the tools they needed to do a conversion or the work they were contracted for in addition to the conversion on my car. They had to use some of my personal tools as well. I even had to drive 6 hours to pick up a new clutch which I paid them for and they didn't bring. Totally unprepared and unprofessional. They were drinking during the day the entire time they were at my place.
     
  4. Zed82

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    Could be. I know that my tech had to figure out some of the questions that weren´t addressed in the instructions. Mostly about moving some electric connections to make everything work like OEM.
     
  5. Kent Adams

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    I was editing my comment when you were replying. One of the things I contracted with them for months before was a new clutch. They showed up without a new clutch so I had to leave and travel 6 hours to pick up a clutch at the Ferrari dealer. They failed to bring all the correct wrenches, used a sawzall on the transmission mount and cut into the aluminum with it and scrambled to order speciality tools they left in San Antonio. Some of the parts were reinstalled backwards which I noticed and corrected myself. Incredible incompetence. That car was jerry rigged in many ways and it was a pristine example prior to EAG. It was owned prior to me by Eddie Smith Jr., a famed Ferrari owner and collector. The buyer, Normal Guy Supercar, was fully aware of what happened when I sold the car to him. Hopefully he disclosed this to whom he sold the car to.
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  6. imahorse

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    I don't have an F430 so I don't get involved with the E-diff debate.

    Nobody ever said the shift tower was going to grenade itself. I simply stated that the only reason to bolt together stock instead of one piece cast, which is the proper way to make it, is to cut costs. If I'm paying double for a kit I would prefer higher quality quality parts. While I don't have a scientific study, my career is based around machining castings. Nobody cobbles together stock unless it's to cut corners. Even now, the guys that left EAG are going to one piece.

    You can tape a wire together and it will work, but soldering and heat shrinking it is better. Just because taping it together works doesn't mean it's a good way to do it. Also, if you say you want objective evidence, because apparently industry professionals don't know anything, could you provide a better argument than "EAG is the best because my car didn't start on fire"


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  7. Kent Adams

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    To be fair, Zed82 never stated "EAG is the best because my car didn't start on fire". I know whom Zed82 is. He's an honest person. EAG didn't do his conversion, only his parts, and the shift tower they made was and is good. However, it's primarily a problem with their work ethic, honesty, Art's desire to live above his means and poor customer service, which Art is completely to blame for, that did them in. He had lots of people warning him years before, said he was going to correct his mistakes but his hubris and lies collapsed his business.
     
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  8. Kent Adams

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    Let me say this also, his customer's, and I include myself in this, were largely responsible for propping his business up because we were worried that he wouldn't complete the job without our social support and we were part of this entire enterprise of deception, though we did it with the understanding that Art gave us, that we'd have a fully functioning OEM style product, he just needed to come back a tweak it. I gave EAG rave reviews because I wanted my car fixed and didn't want the manual conversion market to collapse while I owned my conversion. Completely dishonest on my part in hindsight. I should have put disclaimers on my social media comments. I learned my lesson. I can say that I am very happy with how I sold the car, full disclosure of it's problems as a result of EAG's incompetence.
     
  9. Zed82

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    My shift tower works great and has done so since day one (approx. 15k miles in). Maybe it´s more peculiar looking (to someone?) then a Dr S one but who cares. It´s invisible and if it works, it works. I don´t expect it to suddenly malfunction any time soon. To be honest all conversions are aftermarket and frankenstein to most of the Ferrari community so who cares if one aftermarket shift tower gets more style points then another.
     
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  10. imahorse

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    That's fine if you feel that way, but then don't say my claims are problematic and unsupported.

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  11. colorfull

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    Hmm, don't think I've ever driven it in weather that cold

    Got it
     
  12. imahorse

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    I honestly give you a lot of credit for being able to own that. Especially with how vehemently pro-EAG you were.

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  13. Zed82

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    I was referring to the claim that the tower could cause major issues and grenade itself as that was written in another thread and on social media. If you felt accused I’m sorry.
     
  14. mwstewart

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    That's very big of you to say, but it was obvious on the forum for some years that the company was one to be wary of, starting from the attempted mis-selling an early conversion for profit, so those directly involved on a commercial basis must have been aware as well. Especially in the later years.
     
  15. imahorse

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    IIRC a good chunk of the back and forth on the tower was between you and I. If you were referring to someone else, I did not see it and I apologize.

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  16. MachVec

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    Agreed it's preferable to have one solid unit whenever possible. Sometimes from a manufacturing and production standpoint it becomes complicated.
    The early EAG gen shift towers were bolted together. The current shift towers for 360, 430, 575 & 612 are one complete solid unit with no welds. The 599 tower for cable design is multiple components. The Murcielago & 599 hard linkage design when completed will be one unit.
     
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  17. tbakowsky

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    It's a saturated market now.
     
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  18. clean512

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    How so. Seems like 2 companies left and oem if you can source the parts.
     
  19. mwstewart

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    Can you elaborate on this please? It's useful for everyone to know.
     
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  20. imahorse

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    Agreed. A statement like that needs to be elaborated upon.
     
  21. MichaelMatic

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    There’s nothing to elaborate on, beyond bashing the competition (when does that ever result in more sales?). He is knocking the tune, as if the Dr S customer cannot go to 360trev for a tune, if that was their preference.
     
  22. mwstewart

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    I see. Very unprofessional.

    FAI are the most experienced with Ferrari electronics. They will turn around a conversion in 2 days, the right way.
     
  23. ttforcefed

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    Is FAI rod? If so they said they cldnt do a scud, not sure if that has changed.
     
  24. mwstewart

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    Yes, that's him. They can do 360 and F430, not Scuderia.
     
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  25. MachVec

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    For 360 and 430 one could make that argument. Which isn't a bad thing for the consumer. Gives them more options. For V12s there are very limited options.
     
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