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    where is this beauty today? pix?
     
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    Bob Lee Collection, NV/USA.

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    i like it a lot. was it built on an existing chassis(ie tdf)?
     
  10. Marcel Massini

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    Suffix "SA" stands for Superamerica, 0473 SA is a 410 SA and has zero to do with any TDF.

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    Formally not a Ferrari anymore, but a Cegga.
     
  13. Marcel Massini

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    Disagree.
    Has nothing to do with Cegga.
    Pic taken 27 May 1962. Chassis and engine still genuine Ferrari 250 TR #0742 TR but the bodywork has been redone by Drogo February/March 1961.

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    #12590 Sempre_gilles, Apr 10, 2024
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    I was under the impression that the Gachnang brothers entered their cars officially as "Cegga" but proven wrong in this case:

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    Note the spelling mistake in the name "Gachnang"
     
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    Automobiles made by the Gachnangs and described as Cegga have zero to do with Ferraris (except engines sometimes).
    German entry lists will always have mistakes with French sounding names.

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    For me the history of the Gachnang owned Cegga cars is not clear. Next to Maserati / Lotus based cars they entered Ferrari based cars (or Ferrari engined cars) as "Cegga".
    One of these cars (0742 TR???) was even renumbered as Cegga chassis 002/60.
     
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    #12593 Marcel Massini, Apr 10, 2024
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    No.
    Again: 0742 TR was never renumbered, not at all. That car is bullet proof, except that it has been rebodied twice.
    Ceggas are totally separate automobiles, yes, some were powered by Ferrari engines.
    Anything else is fantasy and dreaming. Please stay away from all those stupid websites and certain articles published not too long ago.

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    0742 TR NOT at the Freiburg-Schauinsland hillclimb (but on 17 Oct 1960 at the ACS Basel regional race, different event!), crashed by then owner Dr. Alfred Hopf (not by Peter Monteverdi).
    After this the pontoon fender TR was rebodied for the first time.

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    Some information about #002/60 (recreation? copy? replica?) :

    https://www.dkeng.co.uk/ferrari-sales/1933/blue_chip_competition_cars/cegga_002_60_powered_by_ferrari.html
    https://www.cityam.com/cegga-ferrari-250-tr-review-one-off-classic-race-car-driven/
     
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    Le Mans 1953. The Marzotto brothers always dressed for the occasion. Paolo and Giannino flanked by Lampredi on the left and team boss Nello Ugolini sitting on the right.

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    Hi Marcel - do you happen to know the race number?
     
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    #12599 Sempre_gilles, Apr 10, 2024
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    Of course this car is a replica; these websites claim that it was build as replica (with direct info of Gachnang) of the car raced by the Cegga team in the early sixties.
    For what it is worth, the period pics all show chassis 0742 TR.
    If those websites and recent articles are all wrong, this is based on deliberate info from Gachnang himself.
     
  24. Marcel Massini

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    The real 250 TR 0742 TR was sold 1968 through Dutch dealer Robert de la Rive Box, resident in Switzerland, to Pierre Bardinon in France (Mas du Clos). He had 0742 TR rebodied back into standard pontoon fender configuration in Italy 1969. This was done by Piero Drogo's Carrozzeria Sport Cars and with the help of Carrozzeria Medardo Fantuzzi in Modena.

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