275 Exhaust System Questions

I have a 275GTS in the shop that has an original exhaust system.. Don't have s/n off hand. I'll send you some photos.
Norbert

 

Greg,

I know David determined that, what I assume is the Abarth system (with the tail-pipe resonator configured with the square off end at the pipe union), was silver. See photos here. I understand from David's shop that the SPACEM system,(with rounded resonator end at the pipe union) was black. I do not have knowledge of the Ceretto system.
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That last, 3rd photo I posted is likely a 4-cam and may have Ceretto system, but just guessing.

 

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Just to confuse things, I think "Lancia" has it backwards. Abarth= black. Spacem=silver.

 

Thanks Dyke, I stand confused! I went by discussion with David Carte, and his shop, and the period photos I posted of silver systems that appear to show the square profile resonator ends (at the pipe union) which I believe is the Abarth detail. Perhaps someone has other photos?

 

In Davids guide most of the systems I see identified as Cerreto are black. There is a 330 GTS with a silver Cerreto from a period Road & Track.

 

Let's see the judges deal with the "white" painted systems on a 4 Cam on the factory assembly line. I have the photos.

 

Was that car and its original owner a story in Prancing Horse?

 

That becomes the owners problem. It is expected any unusual feature to be documented and shown the judges.

They are not cookie cutter cars and we all know it. When you have a non standard feature, no problem just show documentation.

Its not unlike a 275 GTS with factory fog lights. Not a standard feature but we know there is at least one. Factory has documentation of the order and subsequent build. There are countless cases of this kind of thing. All you need is documentation.

Wayne Obry and David Carte were great about that. They provided their clients with a book documenting the entire car and every/any unusual feature. Many other restorers have since followed suit. Some still do not.

 

Jeff: I have no idea if a Prancing Horse article was ever written about the car, I have not been a member of the FCA for over 30 years. See my previous comments regarding concours judging.

Brian: I understand your response regarding it being the owners responsibility to "prove" the car to the judges. However, that only works if the judges are willing to ask questions and listen to answers.

 

2nd thing they do. Ask owner if there are any special items or features.
Its a collaboration, not an altercation.
They are not Famous Amos Cookies made 10,000 times all exactly the same and everyone knows that.

 

It may not have been Prancing Horse, I don't remember where I saw it but was a published story years back. What I do remember is that it was told by a pilot who had finished flying in the Middle East and on his way back to the US. He had ordered a new 275 and went to the factory to see/get his car that was being finished. I want to say it was Manicardi that was ushering him around the factory. The buyer said how he sure would like his exhaust to be white like on the P cars. The initial request was a "no" but when he picked up the car Manicardi pointed out how this had been done.

 

Mr. Ridgely,

Would you by chance be referring to chassis 10525? The four cam originally delivered to Mr. Dick Irish?

The photos you mention provide an excellent reference for how the down pipes transition from a natural steel to the silver finish. We work that specific detail into any system we refinish.

To echo Brian's response; Any judging team would do just fine with this variant provided the entrant supplies evidence.

 

Dustin: Yes, 10525, but there are probably others also.

 

10525 had a number of special features, I wonder if the exhaust is noted in the "List"?

 

375: The Alestimenti for 10525 only mentions "see list of special features". It does not specify each item on the "list". I have never seen one of the actual "lists". In this case, we have actual photos to document the exhaust system.

 

Greg, you are so full of **** it unbelievable.
Look in the mirror Greg. Theres your problem. You have serious issues.
Grow up. People have worked real hard to work with you but you insist on being a whiny little prick.

 

Brian: Sorry, I know you and your better half are working to address judging failures, but Greg is correct on this issue. It was that way 30 years ago and appears to have not changed much in the ensuing time. By the way, Greg is not the only individual in the recent past to have experienced this problem.

 

Dyke, you are completely unaware of the other half of the story. This individual is a lying sack of ****.

 

Brian: I am sorry both of you have chosen to not work together on the problems.