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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by TTR, Jan 29, 2024.

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  1. Thomas Magnum

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    #201 Thomas Magnum, Apr 20, 2024
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    #202 TTR, Apr 20, 2024
    Again
     
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    #203 Thomas Magnum, Apr 21, 2024
    Karen,

    I haven't read the 200 previous posts in this thread. I simply saw the thread title and thought, "Oh, I just saw one of these FOR SALE at FastCars recently." No link to an ad, no endorsement of any kind. Simply a fact and documented for historical purposes. Cheers.
     
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    #204 TTR, Apr 22, 2024
    Dear Mr. Magnum, if no endorsement was intended, why not just say “VIN, seen recently at F. C.” or something and leave it at that ?

    Sincerely,
    Karen
     
  5. Zanny1

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    #205 Zanny1, Apr 22, 2024
    No harm done, IMHO. I enjoy seeing the cars for sale worldwide and don't have a problem with a repeat.
     
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    #206 Thomas Magnum, Apr 22, 2024
    You do this a lot on the forum. Not gonna bite. Peace!
     
  7. TTR

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    #207 TTR, Apr 22, 2024
    I hear you Mike and have no problem with others enjoying perusing or posting cars for sale, but just never understood why grown people aren’t able to follow simple forum (not my) rules or common courtesy.
    And I’m sure you know when one starts ignoring rules, next thing we see is bunch idiots following the suit.
    Plenty of evidence in this (and other) forum(s).
    Perhaps I just have to accept the harsh reality of what George Carlin observed long ago. Or Ron White.
     
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    #209 Zanny1, Apr 22, 2024
    Note that the bolts holding the latch assembly on are sleeved. Mine had 2 of the sleeves missing, which allows the exterior of the latch to be crushed, which affects the operation of the moving parts. A simple bushing made in the lathe solved this problem.
    As far as your last comment..... I get where you are coming from. I enjoy looking at any pictures posted for reference to the varying way these cars were built, or changed over the years. IMHO of course, Timo.
     
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    #210 TTR, Apr 22, 2024
    Thanks Mike, much appreciated.
    Comparing yours to the car I’m working on and several other examples I’ve received photos of privately, I guess I just entered yet another rabbit hole of inconsistencies plaguing 50+ year old Ferraris.
     
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    #211 Bowzer, Apr 24, 2024
    Inconsistencies, or variations by owners tinkering over the years? Also to be noted that from October 1972 there were some changes to these cars from the factory. Besides, different countries asked for differences to the original design of some items from the onset, due to their country's regulations which were really bubbling by the end of the 60's.
     
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    #212 TTR, Apr 24, 2024
    Actually both, i.e. at least to me, it has been clear for a long time that most larger scale Ferrari production runs built 50+ years ago had myriad of inconsistencies/variations in their assembly and manufacturing efforts & techniques that weren’t even related to any regulatory mandates.
    Just the way they were built.
    And “tinkering” by owners or their mechanics/restorers over the past half a century doesn’t make authentication of countless small details any easier.
     
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    #213 365GTC/4, Apr 24, 2024
    Correct. I have an even numbered C4. How is that possible? They put the last digit, a 9, in upside down in the stampings. Hence all subsequent paperwork quoted the serial number ending in 6.
    Plus I've seen lots of factory variations. The parts bins were sometimes empty, orders needed filling, so substitute parts were used. No ISO9000 certification in those days. I've seen electric fuel pumps installed in different locations, and yes, from the factory. So don't sweat differences in originality. It happened all the time back in those days.
     
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    #214 TTR, Apr 25, 2024
    Having had opportunities to restore and work on numerous Daytonas (+ several other make/model vintage cars) and studied their construction & production variations, I’ve long ago learned there can be countless detail, part or small hardware changes throughout their production timeline and some may never make any sense at all.

    AFAIK, Daytonas, for example, were constructed in 50-100 unit batches every few months through their 4+ year production timeline and while I wasn’t there to document any of it, I can easily imagine changes, be they in personnel, regulatory or supplies, etc that occurred between each batch and countless small variations they brought along.
    As I’ve said before, I could likely fill a book or two with “evidence” I’ve collected pointing to all this.

    This is something many fail to consider when they assume or expect each and every example to be exactly like all others.
     
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    #215 turbo-joe, Apr 25, 2024
    at that time all cars have been hand made and so no one is equal to the other 100 %
     
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    #216 365GTC/4, Apr 25, 2024
    One classic is the hood insulation in a Daytona is silver, but black in a C4. Why? Who knows. Maybe because the C4s were made by Pinninfarina, whereas the Daytona was a Scaglietti build.
     
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    #217 Bowzer, Apr 26, 2024
    Yes, that is why. It must also be noted that Pininfarina build was of a higher standard and quality that the Scaglietti build. Hence the better build quality of the GTC/4 when compared to the 365 GTB/4.
     
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    #218 TTR, Apr 26, 2024
    Please explain and provide clear/comprehensive evidence, not just some few minor construction features or someone else’s possibly biased claims/opinions.

    Personally, having worked on numerous 365 GTB/4s, a few 330 GTCs & now one C/4 + observed countless others in the past two+ decades, I wouldn’t necessarily make a blanket claim or statement PF constructed cars being “better built” than those by Scagliettis.
    They (PF built cars) do appear to have some construction method & material differences, but overall, I don’t see them being considerably “better”, just somewhat “different”, but perhaps in time I learn more and might change my opinion/view on this matter.
     
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    #219 Edward 96GTS, Apr 26, 2024
    well known among restorers.
     
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    #220 Bowzer, Apr 26, 2024
    I have never owned a Scaglietti built car but 2 Pininfarina built cars namely a 365 GT and a 365 GTC/4. I have always been impressed by their general build : lack of rust or very minimal ; closure of apertures ; strong interior of wheel arches and generally great fit of glazing and fittings all round. I have friends with Daytonas and Dinos who grumble a lot about things I mentioned which are great in my examples.
     
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    #221 TTR, Apr 30, 2024
    Being you must be one with experience, care to elaborate and provide us details ?
     
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    #222 TTR, Apr 30, 2024
    I believe I just figured out the attachments sequence for both the primary and secondary (i.e. emergency) hood release cables, but unlike in Daytona, the latter being only available for one side, it does leave the other latch somewhat more vulnerable in case of cable breakage.
    I wonder why they, i.e. Pininfarina, opted for this less practical approach ?
     
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    #224 -CD-, May 12, 2024
    When they got love in the past and enough preservation then only the typical eras make rust problems.

    One of the biggest problem zones are the front air „hoses“ because they collect water and mud on the underside
    of the hose.

    My mechanic did that on several 365 GTC/4 so the result was great.
    No fillerpaste, all metal and paint thickness matches the rest of the first paint.

    All 365 GTC/4 owners should look after this spot because it‘s difficult to see
    and even more if there are no signs like bubbles on the outside.


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    #225 Bowzer, May 12, 2024
    Zanny, that is quite an unusual spot for rust on this car. Probably a bad fix after a crash.
     
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