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I dunno. I might spring for some aftermarket buttons. Just for the heck of it and see if I can throw off the delicate harmonic universe that Ferrari has created. Cuz, you know, the buttons on a 488 never, and I mean never, get sticky or anything.
Or on a 458, 430, or 355 the sticky button issue goes back DECADES Is this issue fixed on the F8, or it is too early to tell?
Think it’s too early to tell. Mine are fine on a 2021– assuming they’re made the same as previous models— none of the buttons have been touched by human hands since I’ve owned the car but I’m sure they were by previous owner…. Will see if they go sticky or not in my south Florida climate. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
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just reading through this great thread - thanks for the details! This quote jumped out at me. The Magnusson Moss Warranty Act specifically protects the consumer from this. Its true that if an aftermarket part has a direct relationship with a part that fails under warranty (meaning it is a contributing factor), but that is a LOT harder to prove than simply pointing to the part as the cause. It was enacted as far back as 1975 and states: 1. The manufacturer cannot void or deny coverage if a consumer uses aftermarket or recycled parts. 2. The manufacturer is prohibited from requiring the use of original equipment manufacturer parts or services as a condition of a warranty. 3. The manufacturer is prohibited from requiring service performed at the dealership as a condition of warranty The burden of proof of the connection between failure and the aftermarket/recycled part is the responsibility of the manufacturer. So, if they pointed to the x-pipe as the reason for denying your warranty, they need to provide evidence of causality. If they cant, or haven't, you have a claim.
The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act prohibits product manufacturers from conditioning consumer warranties on the use of any original equipment part or service. That is all. Nothing more. Ferrari limits warranty coverage to non-modified cars, which it is legally entitled to do. Ferrari’s warranty limitations and the MMWA are two different topics that are too often intertwined by the legally uninitiated. Don’t like it? Don’t buy a Ferrari. They will be just fine without you.
Todd is correct. I am VERY familiar with MM as this is what I do for work…. MM will not get your Ferrari (or any other car) covered under warranty if a manufacturer denies a claim due to an aftermarket installed part…. And your car will be an antique by the time any resolve is made if you fight it and try to go that route….. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
As Todd pointed out, this is not correct. (That’s coming from two attorneys for what’s it worth). Actually as I was typing this the other Todd chimed in and is also correct (he’s not an attorney but did sleep at a Holiday Inn express last night, and has been in the car business for a long time).
to be clear, I don’t like Ferrari’s warranty philosophy but cars are so complex now I can see a manufacturer wanting to limit exposure, especially a low-volume specialty brand like a Ferrari or Aston Martin Ford or GM could never take such a position. messing around with an exhaust of a 458 not the same as messing around with the exhaust on a 296 I am afraid those days are long gone
Although, on that note, GM was able to legally ‘end’ manufacturer warranty altogether for Escalade and corvette etc, if original buyer sold it within 1 year or something like that. 3 year warranty gone for ensuing buyer… pretty slick (and also pretty sh*tty of them) Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Those Holiday Inn stays - I need to do that more often to keep up with this crew! FWIW, I was going to append my thoughts with a "nothing beats your relationship with the dealership for resolving anything" but by the time I circled back the time limit for editing had expired. This is only my second time owning a Ferrari and I don't think I would modify and challenge them in a warranty event. And reading on here about the turbo failure...expensive! Really, my experience has been with other brands like Porsche and Mercedes where in the end it was my service advisor that ultimately got me through a tricky situation (minor). Your experience really says it all - if it gets to a point where litigation is the only course to resolve it, you wont win. It just frustrates me a little with how far dealerships will push that OEM button. As an example I had an issue with a driveshaft shimmy that in the end turned out to be a balancing issue. I had a set of HRE wheels on the car and it took me a month of friction to resolve it correctly because the service team pointed to the aftermarket wheels as the issue. I didn't have the original OEM wheels to swap and prove my case, but in the end, a set was put on and the road test confirmed my case. The car was fixed under warranty.
I have a Hummer EV SUV - they did the same thing there in voiding the warranty if it was resold from the original owner within a 6 month window.
@Will Motivation this is what most of Ferrarichat community users appreciate with how the op shares information with diligences and efforts.
