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Just don’t wear that when you take the car in for service. Reminds me of a funny story. I own multiple brands and have shirts with the various logos on it. More than once have I taken my Ferrari in for service wearing a Mclaren shirt or vice versa. The people at the dealership usually chuckle and make a “ nice shirt” comment.
The Ferrari is a mass produced car and will have many pipes in plastic like every other car in existance. Dont dismiss those pipes so easily. Look at the internal pattern hexagons. A lot of work in aero has shown them to be effective. Note Subaru has those patterns on all their plastic exterior parts , look at the WRX 22>
No. Said as much above - fairly new to Ferrari, with this latest being my second car from them. Completely understand the challenges here, and how difficult it would be if it came to that. I've had a couple of challenges here and there with other (lessor) brands - nothing that required an attorney and everything sorted eventually. I've never abused a situation, so I've been fortunate enough to find resolution. I think the relationship with your service center will get you through a lot, especially in the grey area. I agree with everyone here, if it comes to a path of escalation, you would be on the losing side. I suspect Ferrari will have some hard lines that just can't be crossed as compared to others because of the specialty of the brand; that makes sense. Really, I just point it out because there can be extremes on both ends of this paradigm. I mentioned an issue I had above with a drive shaft that has thrown a weight. If I hadn't pressed the issue, I would have been on the hook for all costs.
Hello Mandalay, You are 100% correct on the plastic intakes, it's only because they are mass produced. Performance companies like Hennessey, Koenigsegg, Pagani use more uniform free flowing composite/metal tubes because their volumes are much lower. Regarding the hexagons, they were likely molded for rigidity because the part was so thin and on the pressure side of the turbo. Most silicone couplers on the pressure side are 4-ply reinforced so they don't need additional structure. I don't believe there is any company designing hexagons into their cold side intakes for performance reasons. It disrupts laminar flow and causes turbulence which slows down air flow. In naturally aspirated applications some turbulent flow can help mix the fuel/air but only after the air metering flap. In this case that exists after the throttle body (inside the intake) so any turbulence created beforehand is not beneficial. Any restrictions in flow beforehand only create backpressure which creates stress on the shaft between the turbine and compressor wheels of the turbo. (same one that broke) Any backpressure occurring in the system on the intake or exhaust side of the engine causes strain on parts, creating heat and disrupting flow, which ultimately hurts performance. Unsure why Subaru would put those patterns on the exterior of their cars for anything other than to add some rigidity or because they were needed to release the mold.
its crazy that we have to explain the reasoning for changing out plastic pipes for hard pipes to these people......... that's literally one of the 1st things you do to a modified turbo car. get rid of those plastic pipes, hose connectors and junk clamps lol
One thing I have always enjoyed is a paddock and pit pass at IMSA, GT World, Indy etc races. I love to look and see what the changes are between a street car and race car. Of course you have to know the series rules in order to see what they have to keep and what they can change. However most of these are purpose built and very much different than the street car. For turbo car where the rules allow for changes to pipes ect I always see straight metal piping and pipe connections for air flow are with smooth silicone hoses. I also see intakes and intake pipes wrapped in a gold foil to reject heat if allowed by rules.
Well.....I believe that many owners (that I have met) are not making their own repairs and certainly not doing performance modifications to their Ferrari's. So, they default to others’ which might offer facts based on opinion rather than science or experience. So, when I searched this topic on FC, I noticed conflicting and/or very limited information about turbo damage/repair and benefits or risks to swapping out to aftermarket components. While I am not an attorney and can't comment on the legalities regarding the warranty, I do have 30+ years of racing, engineering, and performance shop ownership to draw upon. So, my thought was to help educate the FC community on those items so owners could make more informed decisions (outside of warranty) if a modification is beneficial or may cause damage. All this discussion above regarding warranties, turbo RPM's being too high, backpressure being beneficial (on the exhaust or intake side of your engine) and mass-produced factory verses low-volume aftermarket parts is helpful to decipher truth from fiction. So I value the information/opinions from these discussions (on-topic) from others trying to do the same.
Carbon is smart. His posts are some 500 IQ kinda sh*t. Respect. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
I honestly believe you are confusing reasons. The reason why the pipes are changed is because its the CHEAP alternative and the new turbo or what ever have different dimensions. IF YOU were to build an engine that you really wanted it to look like OEM then the pipes would be plastic parts. Have you ever enlisted a company to make you one off plastic , rubber parts ? I have. The cost is horrendous but the execution is marvelous. Dont confuse Forced induction with Normally aspirated. In N/A I will agree with you however with Forced Induction NOPE. Just up the pressure. Standard 488 GTB 670 HP ? Let me know when you are successful at over doubling its power. Image Unavailable, Please Login HERE is my MR2 engine that I built. 200 Hp > 500 hp . 2 liter engine . Please tell me which parts are not OEM ?
In Australia we have the ACCC consumer laws. If you follow these laws spending money on Ferrari extra warrantees is a WASTE of money as our laws protect us. It clearly states that any car purchase ( new ) should be fit for purchase and the car should last at least 10 years with over 100,000 kms. Having said that every needs to be free if it fails. Ferrari only offer 3 years warrantee therefore they say after 3 years its your cost. ACCC says NO Ferrari must pay. I don't know of anyone ever challenging Ferrari however I challenged ILVE an Italian maker of ovens. The oven cost me $6000. The warrantee was only 2 years. It failed on the 4 years. I went back to the shop quoted ACCC and presto new oven delivered. BTW did the same with a Plasma TV. BTW I wouldn't rely or gamble on the ACCC against Ferrari for a claim so that's why I have extended full factory warrantee.
The turbo failure is very common on the 488 and F8. The F8's have speed sensors to try and alleviate the failure but the stock turbos are just weak. We have seen some fail as early as 400 miles on a bone stock car and our in house F8 lasted 10k miles of Stage 2 with flames before upgrading turbos for more power. We can assist with getting your turbos fixed/upgraded and with tuning! Stage 2 gains 100hp/100tq safely on 91 octane at the wheels on F8, and more on 488. Unlike other tuners---we don't increase factory boost, we don't increase the turbo speed limit, and we don't add timing on 91 to keep the motor safe and happy.
Certainly! The tuner's job is to sell something that people will buy. And of course, a unified piece of standard section pipe is cheaper than an individually designed and calculated inlet of complex shape. it is definitely selected and modeled taking into account the flow coming from the turbos. Undoubtedly, a stock car will become less powerful if you replace the standard pipes on it with a piece of round pipe.
