I won't bother commenting about the design because enough has been already said ! However, I will comment on the dimensions. Why on earth has it got so much bigger in all directions over the F12/812 plus the added weight is another negative, albeit probably unavoidable. These are the reasons on why it has identical performance figures to the 812 despite an extra 30PS. An extra 30PS might be noticeable on a 200PS car but only accounts for a paltry 3.75% extra over the 812's 800PS.. The 105mm increased width in itself has increased the frontal area enough to affect speed. Anyone know what the actual UK price is ? Overall a huge anti-climax if there ever was one considering the huge hype.
I dislike that too. I guess for aero reasons they had either to add the black bits or lenghten the nose a bit, and Manzoni chose the black bits. They also make the front more agressive, and with the modern Ferrari clientele there is always a risk of being too bland.
Reports are saying the black panels cannot be anything other than black per Flavio.. That's an interesting stance...
I don't mind the nose being black, but the rear is what gets me - I'd take a Spider if I could paint that rear decklid.
So much for a smaller narrower wheelbase and shorter overhang up front and its heavier without the PS trick suspension. Gonna need the front lifter on this car for anywhere there is a slight grade. The coupe’s blind spots must be enormous- even bigger than the spider. Ran the spider through the configurator and it looks quite good in Nero and other darker colors. I would grade the design effort a B- but the performance a C due to the added weight and size. I can’t see this thing performing anywhere near the 812C which is what I was hoping for. I guess we won’t be anywhere near a 7’00”” Ring time either Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
This is absolutely cope, and I get it. We all wanted to love this so much, but let's be real. This is not even close to the 812, which was in turn less beautiful than the F12. They tried something unique with the front end leading the language, but modeled it after some of the least graceful design to ever be called Ferrari. The 365 and all it's offspring are all unloved, because they are ugly. So, why? Why did we not start with the question of "why?" when choosing a unique direction? And why did we choose a unique direction to begin with? Everyone would have been perfectly happy for an updated 812 with Comp/SP3 design language, this engine, and a couple of cool easter eggs. I would have been over the moon about it. The side profile is acceptable, however nobody would say that it reads Ferrari, the consensus is Kia or Genesis. The rear and rear 1/4 are a disaster, the rear aero is pointlessly distracting in service of a reference to the awkward front, and the "frog mouth" surrounding the taillights.. come on. The 812 Comp and the SP3 are some of the best designs to come out of CS, but I'm not going to fellate Manzoni for this mess because of my love for the entire history of the brand and a couple of recent completely unobtainable home runs. You shouldn't have to talk yourself into understanding and liking the new flagship V12 Ferrari. FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. When I look at the new AM V8 Vantage, I say, wow, this is downmarket of where I was aiming, and objectively a terrible investment from a brand I'm not attached to, but it's so achingly beautiful that I find myself losing control of the grip on my wallet. When I look at this, I say, wow, she has a great personality and comes from a good family, maybe if I turn down the lights and have a few beers it won't be so bad. Ferrari.. I love you. Sack Manzoni.
Agree! Just my curmudgeon opinion, but take the 458 and F12 50 years into the future and I still see them stunning and of the time They set the benchmark too high with those modern classics by Pininfarina
Here’s a related and interesting question … Why would anyone trade their 812 for this? It has no compelling advantage or differentiator versus the 812. And don’t say for the styling because if you own an 812 that means you like its styling.
Because it's new and we've been driving our 812s for 5 years already? Although if I can swing it I might keep both.
How much faster is it reaaaally though? fastestlaps.com says the 812C does it in 1:20 and the F12tdf does it in 1:21. The track may be useful for testing purposes but I don't think it is a good way of comparing road cars. If we were to take Fiorano's (or rather Ferrari's marketing department's) word for it an 812C is faster around the track compared to a Pista.
And looking at a few pictures they’ve reused the front grill if the F12 and the wheels of either the F12 or the purosangue What a joke and frankly insult!! To all those people waiting for something “pure” and “special”and cried for the V12 to “live on”…they got it…a reuse of all parts they could get from the factory and repackaged it into a “new model” at sky high prices.
Who cares? The car is fast enough, way more than fast enough, for it's intended use of driving around. Nobody is buying a V12 Ferrari to go racing, they make more focused race cars for that. When they decided not to make it hybrid (thank you Ferrari!) they pretty much were out of the performance game at that point.
If you aren't a customer of the V12 line you likely can't get one anyway. Maybe this is the car for those people?
As much as Fiorano is Ferrari’s benchmark course for many of us it is the Ring- much longer course helps differentiate a “sprint” car from a “mid to long distance runner” Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
Exactly. Looks like an entry level car despite the active arrow bits and gimmicks (which don’t belong on this type of car). The (hidden) PS suspension would have been a better choice. Even if you can paint and fix the design, it falls short and just doesn’t look like it deserves the MSRP increase it will command. Certainly a young mans car- I’m too old for this car and not the right demographic.
The Ring is too long and too bumpy (requiring a specific set up that doesn't translate well to other tracks or the public road) to be a meaningful metric. Small driver errors can make a big difference as they accumulate over the distance. Its lack of repeatability makes it a poor metric. A Grand Prix track is more representative of a car's performance, even that too doesn't necessarily allude to a good road car.
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