Speciale Market | Page 65 | FerrariChat

Speciale Market

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by DM1, Jan 21, 2018.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. Stams

    Stams Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 30, 2020
    550
    Colorado
    Full Name:
    Sean
    Bundy, Eilig, Il Tifoso and 2 others like this.
  2. Giallo27

    Giallo27 Formula Junior

    Sep 21, 2020
    264
    Full Name:
    JB
    NGooding likes this.
  3. That's more miles than many "regular" 458s have.
     
  4. SD455TA

    SD455TA Formula Junior

    As I see it right now, there are zero Aperta's offered for sale in the US and I follow it and have watched nothing come to market for weeks now. Granted I could have missed one but they have been spoken for and are off the market. Now this one, priced 250,000 under the prior market is a smoking deal for someone who doesn't mind about the mileage and maybe the spec itself. Where was this one listed?
     
    Eilig likes this.
  5. 05F430F1

    05F430F1 F1 Rookie
    BANNED

    Oct 22, 2005
    3,600
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida
    Full Name:
    Todd
    I see it’s at Wide World where I bought my car.. they said they do a LOT of consignment. And at least it was drive avg of 2k miles/year… I’d be fine with 20k miles but I can’t afford it still lol


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
     
    SD455TA likes this.
  6. SD455TA

    SD455TA Formula Junior

    I have to toss in there that I LOVE cruising around in my 1969 Camaro that has over 250K on it and runs every bit as good (actually better) than when i bought it over 42 years ago with the original numbers matching drivetrain still in it. Mileage don't mean a thing. It can give you a nice price break.
     
    Bundy, Eilig and 05F430F1 like this.
  7. 05F430F1

    05F430F1 F1 Rookie
    BANNED

    Oct 22, 2005
    3,600
    Fort Lauderdale, Florida
    Full Name:
    Todd
    I had a candy apple cherry 69 Z28/RS when I was a kid— definitely wasn’t stock though. Loved it.


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
     
    SD455TA likes this.
  8. Stams

    Stams Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 30, 2020
    550
    Colorado
    Full Name:
    Sean
    I saw this on cars.com while checking what’s out there.

    I don’t care what anyone does with their cars, collect as investment, collect as art, collect for status, to drive, to daily, to break on the track.

    I have a speciale and it is already become a difficult relationship because I am a driver and I feel the, admittedly self induced, pain of adding a lot of miles. Sympathy anyone?

    Solution? Get another damn car for driving and take the ferrari out less.

    Again. Do what you like with your car but I am surprised to see these many miles on an A when you could likely drive something else.

    I wonder if the Aperta is a car that could one day reach the collectible status of “number of miles irrelevant”. It will take time but maybe


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
    Bundy and SD455TA like this.
  9. RoyalPink

    RoyalPink Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed Silver Subscribed

    Mar 18, 2019
    1,574
    Southern Utah
    Full Name:
    John D.
    I'm a strong advocate of extreme usage at every given opportunity. Keeping the mileage down for more money on resale is pointless to me no matter what the model. I doubt I'll be lying on my death bed thinking; I'm sure glad I kept the miles low on my Ferraris.
     
  10. tubedreamer

    tubedreamer Rookie

    Jan 13, 2022
    44
    Engines and moving parts do better if moved often and lubricated by their pumps running, keep fresh fuel moving through the system
     
    488Julius likes this.
  11. Mrpseudonym

    Mrpseudonym Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Nov 7, 2020
    602
    Sydney, Australia
    +1 @RoyalPink , I went on a 4 day drive last month with a bunch of friends and put more miles on my 488 in those 4 days than I did in the whole of 2023. It was initially done with some trepidation because of the mileage, but I will cherish the memory of those 4 days forever. I have no regrets.
     
    RoyalPink likes this.
  12. 488Julius

    488Julius Formula Junior

    Feb 10, 2024
    551
    Full Name:
    Julius Gergly
    I absolutely love my 488 but I am going to put a ton of miles on it and not give it a second thought. The A Speciale is one beautiful car.
     
  13. Oz-ATL

    Oz-ATL Formula Junior
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 14, 2011
    652
    Unfortunately it has a Carfax ding from 2019.
     
  14. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 31, 2001
    4,096
    Full Name:
    Tänzelndes Pferd
    08/09/2019
    Damage Report
    • Accident reported with another motor vehicle
      • Damage to front
      • Disabling damage reported
      • Vehicle disabled
      • Vehicle towed
      • Airbags did not deploy
    Damage Location
    FRONT

    Front collision, disabling damage, but no airbag deployed?? Something's not right there.
     
    Il Tifoso and SD455TA like this.
  15. tubedreamer

    tubedreamer Rookie

    Jan 13, 2022
    44
    What’s extreme usage? lol on Ferraris any usage at all seems to be extreme. I had some fun talking with Ferrari service advisors this week. They all said unfortunately these cars don’t get driven that much so they don’t really need some of the items in the schedule. Ferrari designed the maintenance schedule based on normal driving mileage and these cars don’t come anywhere close to that.
     
    Giallo27 likes this.
  16. Giallo27

    Giallo27 Formula Junior

    Sep 21, 2020
    264
    Full Name:
    JB
    What’s normal usage?

    Every time I drive my 458S is worth every penny that eventually the car got depreciated.

    I’ve done on average 1500 miles per year, considering I don’t have much spare time to drive her. 18k miles in 10 years is average, below, above normal usage? All F services done and pampered to extenuation car.

    I wouldn’t have ANY objection to buy a 10 year 18k miles good unit if the car has all the service track record and the owner is a sensible enough connoisseur.

    I always buy car and owner as a package, not just car alone.

    If you buy an almost 40 year old F40 do you really care if she did 20, 30 or 40k? Or would you prefer to check how the guy cold starts the car and of course talk to the mechanic that took care of her and ask for what oil they put on, gas tank change and availability of all books, services, keys, etc? Would you panic if the guy resprayed the bumpers or replaced a windshield? Unless you are looking for a garage queen of course, that I respect but I disagree.

    It is very unlikely to find low km cars with past of +10/15 years and, if you do, you will be asked to pay a premium for that. But it does not mean IMO that average milage car has a depreciation.
     
  17. Stams

    Stams Formula Junior
    Silver Subscribed

    Apr 30, 2020
    550
    Colorado
    Full Name:
    Sean
    #1617 Stams, May 11, 2024
    Last edited: May 11, 2024
    This was what I was asking above in a way. Will the Aperta be a car where in 40 years the mileage and a small blend will not matter?

    I feel that it would likely suffer in the category of “collectors premium” reserved for a low mileage mint example, but isn’t this the reason why these cars don’t get driven? To protect that margin? Any previous damage can be excused in regards to the provenance of a race car, but an A doesn’t qualify.

    I think speculators do look at the 458 special series as a potential future F40 type of situation. Without any racing provenance to increase value, the best profit will be found in that collectors premium.

    The car will already likely turn a profit as it was last sold in 2016 so this maybe is an example of being driven for free.

    That’s how I look at my car. I wanted it all. The looks, the performance, the sound, the exclusivity, and the appreciation. I know I won’t make a windfall on this unless I sell her many years from now (and that’s a maybe) but I love the thought of driving her for free. She doesn’t get driven a lot, but she does get driven in anger.

    Again, I respect and appreciate all car guys and do what you like. And call your mom tomorrow!

    Image Unavailable, Please Login


    Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat.com mobile app
     
    Giallo27, Il Tifoso and Lagunae92 like this.
  18. Lagunae92

    Lagunae92 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 16, 2018
    2,825
    SoCal
    I may just take my Mom out in the Speciale!
     
    Stams, Il Tifoso and NGooding like this.
  19. NGooding

    NGooding Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Apr 5, 2021
    1,269
    Connecticut, USA
    Full Name:
    Nate
    Some collectors put miles on their Ferraris, but they have so many vehicles that the average mileage per car remains low. I get that. If you have the means to own a variety of cars and enjoy them all, that's great!

    I do take some issue with speculators who avoid putting miles on their cars simply to preserve their financial value. Taking them out of circulation means that there are fewer cars out there for those of us who want to enjoy driving them. And it increases the cost of admission for the cars that remain in the hands of drivers.

    To each his own. People can do what they want with their cars and their money. But to me, Ferraris aren't (just) art. They are at their best when they are in motion.
     
  20. Lagunae92

    Lagunae92 F1 Rookie
    Silver Subscribed

    Feb 16, 2018
    2,825
    SoCal
    I didn’t intend to drive the Speciale that much, and I’ve only put 400 miles since August, but it’s the one I enjoy the most and want to drive the most.
     
    KZEVO, SD455TA, plastique999 and 2 others like this.
  21. Eilig

    Eilig F1 Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Aug 31, 2001
    4,096
    Full Name:
    Tänzelndes Pferd
    Congrats on a great looking car. It easily exceeds every other car in that photo by extremely large margin.
     
    Garbageman likes this.
  22. There are miles, and then there are miles.

    Some owners will put "a lot" of miles on their Speciale because they are regulars at their local Cars & Coffee.

    Then there are owners who put the same amount of miles on their Speciale because they are driving to/from their local track in the Speciale, and then actually driving the Speciale on the track -- at speed.

    TL;DR not all miles are the same, just like not all Speciales are the same.
     
  23. Giallo27

    Giallo27 Formula Junior

    Sep 21, 2020
    264
    Full Name:
    JB
    What you prefer? A Starbucks driven car seldom maintained or an amateur tracked car with fastidious maintenance?
     
  24. The latter.

    Cars -- any car -- are meant to be driven.

    Not waxed and polished, pushed around the block, and garaged. Rinse and repeat. What's the point.
     
    Avia11 and sampelligrino like this.
  25. Giallo27

    Giallo27 Formula Junior

    Sep 21, 2020
    264
    Full Name:
    JB
    Exactly
     

Share This Page