Negative response to the 12 cilindri design

Bottom line: No matter what you think of the looks of the car, the winglets are dumb.

 

Really dumb. Ferrari say they were going for ‘sober elegance’ and a look that is ‘spare’ so if that’s the case, why does a restrained GT car need active aero flappy thingies on top of its rear fenders. Gratuitous. Gimmicky on this design. Total Clown Show.

 

Probably the stupidest thing Manzoni has ever done. The ultra aggressive track focused 812 Competizione DOESN’T need rear fender haunch active downforce wing flaps, but the ‘restrained elegant’ Grand Tourer DOES?! Riiiiiiiiight. So contrived. So forced. So disjointed. Pure Buffoonery.

 

The steering wheel for looks off to me for some reason.

 

1st time I saw F12 images, I liked it
1st time I saw 812 images, I wasn't sure
1st time I saw 12 Cilindri images, I didn't like it

 

Yeah he's "overqualified" in all the worst ways.

 

Still think it’s Manzoni’s best work to date, but I’ve said before,that’s not saying much!, but weird thing happened, 1st in person viewing thought it was stunning, last week 2nd in person viewing, and now I think it’s awful.. nothing in between, stunning to awful, anyone else feeling less for it after multiple viewings? I can’t look at it anymore, such a strange feeling.

 

To me, any car design that relies on "cheating" (i.e. forced black-out of nose band, a-pillars, roof, delta foot) is a bad design. I understand Ferrari is using these design cheats in an attempt to make the car look appear smaller/sleeker (though it is the largest 2-door GT car they have ever made) with these design cheats, but, it is simply bad design. And, due to sheer amount of forced black-out areas that cover the car front to back, these cars will have a uniformity of appearance regardless of paint choices, and I mean uniform like it is wearing a uniform. Going to be strange seeing a lot of these side-by-side in dealer showrooms, buyers at this level will not appreciate the 'uniform' the car is required to wear (already stated in so many postings here)...so, I predict the 'cheating' will backfire, I suspect later, maybe in 2 years, Ferrari will suddenly lift the embargo on black-out areas and customers can choose whatever paint they like...

 

That's nonsese. Is the 720S "cheating" because the headlight surrounds are blacked out? It's ugly when painted (I know that's a 750s but my point applies)

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Is the Testarossa cheating because of the black pastic lower parts to lower the look of the car?
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What about the 512 BB? Was it a mistake to have the iconic two-tone look?
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I'm not against having the option of paint the black bits. I agree it's personal preference. But to say that the car has to long good with them painted otherwise the designer is "cheating" doesn't makes sense. It's just one of the tools designers have to apply a certain look or invoke a certain feeling. It's not inherently good or bad. No car looks perfect from every angle. Designers try to bring out the good looking angles while hiding the bad ones.

 

I think you know those are not relevant comparisons, not even close.

You do realize the BB was not forced two-tone? An optional 2-tone paint job is not relevant.

The 'lens surround' in the front of many cars where it is inset is blacked out, again, not relevant. The front air intakes on all Ferraris are simply blacked out, not a cheat, it is functional area with a grille, grilles are typically not paint areas.

The side skirts being black is more related to aero than car design and many times extends below the body work.

Try finding cars where the A-Pillar is forced black (and when painted after purchase how it looks odd), what about the so-called 'delta splay' at the back of the car, not to mention the nose band and entire roof where not glass---again, forced, not optional.

I think you are trying to defend a bad design that forces itself on the consumer with no factory option otherwise...

 

This is an excellent assessment and totally valid. That symmetry across different colors and builds could very well be too uniform.

 

I don't think it looks good at all. Largely because it draws a lot of inspiration from 365 Daytona, which I personally think is one of Ferrari's worst looking designs. The 250 Testorossa or the 275 LM would have been far better inspiration choices IMHO. The F12 was a very elegant looking car, the F12 TDF was a pinch more aggressive but it was still a great cohesive design. The 812 I didn't care too much for the front, I felt the front headlights where far too long/extended. But the 812 Competizione really looked awesome as the extra flair made the design much more dynamic and hardcore. Even the modern classic 550 Maranello looked powerful, elegant and cohesive in it's design. As a concept car this would have been interesting but as mainstay flagship, I think it's a little too over-styled for it's own good.

The 12Cilindri is a little too boxy in my opinion, I think the best looking spec on these will be all black to hide the busyness of the design and the designs on the wheels, and just showcase the profile, which is fairly nice. I'll be curious to see the TDF/Comptetizione version of this but that's certainty a few years out. All that said I'm am stoked that they kept the V12 naturally aspirated and unassisted, so that's a win.

 

Those who bash the design, I assume you alread saw one in person?

 

Twice, both times in Factory 4 weeks apart. 1st time only Coupe 2nd time Coupe & Spider. See post 82 above

 

Fair enough.

The PR photos are photoshopped, so I understand if some people are disappointed after seeing the real car. I thought the car looked better the more I look at it after the Manzoni presentations, because I got to see different lines which were not prevalent on the first look. While I have reservations regarding the bloated rear of the coupe, the spider is spot on.

I will have my 2nd viewing tomorrow after the Miami event. So, we will see if it turns from stunning to awful as well after tomorrow.

 

Irrelevant.

Just like saying only the opinions of those who can afford one are the only ones that matter.

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While I haven't seen one in person yet, I honestly have warmed up to the design a little bit. At first the 296 & SF90 design I felt were a little lacking and they didn't grab me. After seeing them in person, I don't think they are bad designs. I even kind of like the 296 design now. However I've never gone from absolutely revolted by a design to loving it and I don't think that will happen with this car.

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This is not what I'm saying. I'm saying the car looks different when you see it in person and changes after mutiple viewings, given some time when you get accustomed to the design. Especially knowing when those PR photos are photoshopped to be lowered, squashed, and stretched.

 

To be fair they both have windshield wipers.

 

However, many who can't afford a new model are prone to bashing it in a way to justify holding up on their previous purchase. By degrading and attacking a new model they can't allow themselves, they feel entitled and more pure-bred and fantastic than the rest.

So yes, all opinions matter, yet not all are the same or have equal value.

 

I didn’t like the SF90 in pictures. Looked corvetteish to me. Then saw it in showroom and my mind changed. Then saw a very well spec’d one on the street and was like wow! I’m expecting the same for me with the 12C


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Saw the coupe again tonight. Looks better the more I see it.

Coupe definitely more useful with roomier inside but the Spider looks best. Spider is sold out.

 

Makes sense, local dealer told me everyone wanted the spider when I opted for the coupe hah. May get a wild hair later and see if a spider allocation drops but went coupe initially.

 

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I was talking to my dealer going back and forth on Spider or Coupe he said well look it will probably be 3 years before we could get you a Spider but 12-18 months with a Coupe, so I decided on the Coupe.