Monterey auction thread (the '24 edition)

This week Bonhams have listed a 1964 250GT Lusso #4497GT for Quail Lodge on August 16th and Broad Arrows a set of 12 lots for their Jet Centre sale on August 15th-16th, headlined so far by a 1972 Lambo Miura SV #5048 and 1998 RUF CTR2.Mecum have also announced their first 20 or so lots, lead by a 1969 Ford GT40 #1080 (that has been for sale for approx 12 months already) and a 1960 Scarab F1 car......

Long gone are the days when RM and Gooding fell over each other to tease lots in March, they haven't announced anything, YET. Gooding having only just finished their GEARED Online motorcycle sale cannot be too far away. Bring on the madness!

If anyone has anything to add, this is the place to post it

 

Let the Games Begin!

 

A couple of lots appeared on the RM Sotheby's website, but then disappeared. These were 365 GTS #12253 and 212 Inter #0135E.

 

Broad Arrow and Gooding & Company have also published their first lots for their car week auctions.

Early highlights for Gooding include a 1957 BMW 507 (chassis 70089) and a 1961 Jaguar E-Type Series I 3.8-Litre Roadster (chassis 875781).

Broad Arrow's early highlights are a bit more impressive and include the 1972 Lamborghini Miura P400 SV (chassis 5048), the 1998 RUF CTR 2 (chassis W09BD0364WPR06010), a 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS 2.7 Lightweight (chassis 9113601177), and two 300SL's, a 1955 gullwing and a 1957 roadster (chassis 198.040.5500120 & chassis 198.042.7500680).

Gooding has no Ferrari entries published yet while Broad Arrow has just one, a 1973 Ferrari Dino 246 GTS (chassis 05838).

 

@ECC we hardly knew ye . . .

 

Well, that escalated quickly.……missed the reason though. But probably too much of an add…

ciao
Oscar

 

RM have now listed their first 20 lots

1960 Ferrari 250GT California SWB 1795GT RM 16mm 18mm
1960 Ferrari 400SA Cabriolet 1945SA RM 6mm 7mm
1959 Ferrari 250GT California LWB 1217GT RM 5.5mm 6.5mm
1969 Ferrari 365GTS 12253 RM 2.8mm 3.8mm
1996 Porsche 911 GT2 Clubsport WP0ZZZ99ZTS392156 RM 1.2mm 1.5mm
1953 Bentley R-Type Continental BC1LB RM 1mm 1.4mm
1930 Packard 734 Speedster 184101 RM 1mm 1.4mm
1966 Shelby Cobra 427 CSX3259 RM 1mm 1.3mm
1951 Ferrari 212 Inter Vignale Coupe 0135E RM 900k 1.2mm
2020 Ferrari 488 Pista Piloti Ferrari 250456 RM 800k 1mm
2023 Porsche 911 Sport Classic WP0AG2A90PS252368 RM 600k 800k
2012 Aston Martin V12 Zagato SCFEBBGF8CGS31182 RM 500k 650k
2008 Spyker C8 Laviolette XL9BA11G68Z363182 RM 450k 550k
2019 Porsche 911GT3 Weissach WP0AF2A94KS165889 RM 350k 450k
1972 BMW 3.0 CSL 2275198 RM 250k 350k
1953 Delahaye 178 Chapron cab 820034 RM 200k 300k
1977 Ferrari 308GTB Vetroresina 20695 RM 200k 275k
1965 McLaren ELVA Mark IA 20/14 RM 200k 250k
1989 BMW M3 WBSAK050X0AE40577 RM 150k 200k
1990 Ferrari Testarossa 86184 RM 150k 200k
1968 BMW 1600GT W001171 RM 100k 140k
1958 Fiat 600 Jolly 438198 RM 80k 100k

I am surprised that a perfectly decent LWB California is now worth a third of a SWB California. They are not that different!

My fave is probably the McLaren ELVA, a lot of car for $200k

 

Big difference between SWB and LWB Californias PLUS open and closed headlamps. Although 1217 GT is interesting and seems like it may be a good car, and now with its matching engine, that it did not have it for years is a bit of a story, plus non matching gearbox, missing numbers off the axle and non original disc brakes. 1795 GT is the first SWB California Spider, the Geneva Show car and Classiche Certified. RM Sotheby's state it has a competition spec engine. It does not. See here. Competizione engines have tipo 130 cams with 10 mmm lift. This car has standard cams with 9 mm lift. Velocity Stacks and 40 DCL Webers rather than 36 DCLs does not make it a comp. engine. Also has a MPH speedometer whereas the build sheets state KPH. Exhausts should be Abarth, not Ansa.

 

why does this list says for million mm? why not just a capital M?
mm are millimeter, so I wonder

could someone please explain to me?

 

MM is a common abbreviation for Million because M in Roman Numerals is 1,000, so MM is one thousand thousands, or one million.

 

1 K = One Thousand. A.k.a. One Grand.
1 M = One Million.
At least in Banking in Switzerland.
But what do I know.......

Marcel Massini

 

I didn't think anyone had "thousands" in their Swiss Bank account/s, only millions +

 

Open a new savings account and get a free toaster.

 

It's neat that the Swiss banking system is able to have their own little idiosyncrasies and operate entirely different than the rest of the financial world.

 

MM is clear for me, so capital MM, but here is written small mm, and that is why I wonder. a little confusing for me not using those shortcuts. but I also see there is no capital K, only a small k. but why it says K ( k ) for 1000 and not M ( m ) ?

 

Gilded, I assume?!

 

Good to know. I would have thought that SWBs were $16-18mm and LWBs $8-9mm, for covered, a $2-3mm discount for open headlights makes sense. Thanks for the in depth data!

 

mm or MM is just an abbreviation for millions. Only two keys rather than eight to key in ,000,000......

 

No reason or difference for large or small K v k or M v m. That is just code for thousands or millions.....

 

All the work I do is CapEx in the energy industry. I use MM. My current project: original budget 220MM, revised budget 290MM, EAC 396=410MM.

 

so I also know marcel, but never have seen mm

 

Just read into the context and it'll make itself clear.

 

So when reading a topic about auctions and estimates you didn’t think the “mm” meant measurements in millimeters? Shocking!

 

This is wild.

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Steven,

not to correct you, but some additional info:

if you look into the Foglio di Montaggio of 1795GT, you see:

Osservazioni

Motore competizione con assi a cammes normali


Californias were delivered with 36, 40 and 42 Webers, also one example (2935GT) with Solex.

SWB Competizione Berlinettas had 40 and 46 Webers. At least, these were the only Carbs, that my Foglios show.


2015GT, 2383GT had Tipo 130 Cams, 40 Webers. As did 2561GT. 2987GT "just" is a normal California in Alloy.
Early SWB Californias had 40 Webers, than 42, 40 again and the last ones had 36.



Yep, the exhaust is a complete different topic. Ferrari Classiche used ANSA. As it was the only easily available. Now, you could buy an expensive Abarth Repro, if you want.
Early Californias had a two box system, later ones a three box system (I racall, as soon, as the IGM 2130 OM is stamped into the Frame)


and so on and so on with the differences of all the 106 different Californias...