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  1. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    After he finished 2nd in the WDC ???
     
  2. SS454

    SS454 Formula 3

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    At this point I am convinced Red Bull just want to sell more T-shirts. I read somewhere that supposedly 65% of Red Bull Merch goes to Mexico.

    It makes zero sense to sign Perez when Sainz and Alonso were on the table and Red Bull's advantage appears to be shrinking quickly and they will need their second driver to perform.

    Some may say Red Bull don't need the money, but all multi billion dollar companies don't need the money. They are all exceptionally greedy and one of their first priorities is making sure their stock goes up. With Dietrich gone, it's very likely the big powers at Red Bull have more of a money goal than a F1 success goal.
     
  3. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    The teams act like funds now due to 'value' Enough of that word lol. Risk averse and boring. RedBull epitomize that now with the 'edgy' team being long dead now. Just another image conscious 'franchise' - being a 'disruptor' died years ago.
     
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  4. TonyL

    TonyL F1 Rookie

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    Exactly my point William, they dont want someone to upset the apple cart. I would imagine MV demanded the resigning of SP or else.......
     
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  5. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Sainz was unwilling to make a quick decision, and Alonso signed with Aston at the first opportunity.
    Probably that Sainz' demands (finance and duration) didn't meet what Red Bull wanted.
    As for Alonso, he too insisted on a 3 years contract that Red Bull wasn't willing to give.
    At least, Sergio Perez is a known quantity for them, and he was satisfied with a 2 years contract.
     
  6. SS454

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    All we really have is speculation. Long after it was announced Sainz was being replaced, Carlos reported he still didn't have any idea where he was going to be in 2025. Is this because of the Sainz team or because no teams gave him any serious offers? Who knows. Alonso, he isn't exactly known for good career decisions. I would have to imagine even the worst agents would have talked with Red Bull Racing.

    I certainly don't think it was a concern to put a better driver against Max. Verstappen is supremely confident and doesn't give a F about who his teammate is. There is a clear value in a clear #1 though. It's been proven many times before. I hope this decision bites RB in the butt. Ferrari for WCC in 2025!
     
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  7. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Audi was chasing Carlos Sainz Jr long before the Hamilton story came about.
    I suppose that Seidl who worked with him at McLaren appreciated his qualities to lead the new Audi team.
    Sainz Jr may find better conditions somewhere else, but it looks like he is snubbing Audi which is a bad tactic.
     
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    I didn't know that. I didn't hear about the Audi offers until well after the Hamilton-Ferrari deal.
     
  9. jpalmito

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    If true absolutely agree with you.
    Wonder if Carlos Sainz Senior has a good influence on his son..
     
  10. jgonzalesm6

    jgonzalesm6 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    The 65% is true PLUS what Perez brings to the sponsorship table:

    1) Disney
    2) Telcel (Carlos Slim)
    3) Mobil
    4) Claro
    5) Nescafe
    6) KitKat

    So from a sponsorship aspect, he's brings in more money than Max does even though Perez doesn't have 3 WDC titles and those sponsors are heavy hitters.
     
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  11. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Horner the coward lol

    --Sergio Perez Extension Spares Christian Horner Pain of Navigating “Tricky” Dynamics Between Carlos Sainz Senior and Jos Verstappen--
     
  12. jpalmito

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    As I said before, Sainz senior influence is negative for his son in the end..
     
  13. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Jos certainly no role model!!
     
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  14. subirg

    subirg F1 Rookie

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    Signing Perez for 2 years is a debacle. Short term financial gain from ‘his’ sponsors will soon be replaced by long term financial loss of a fading team. Max alone cannot save RB from their impending doom.
     
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  15. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    I’m certain your situation is priority 1 Yuki lol. Honda is partnered with who for next year!! Rumors are Audi are slightly interested or Haas etc!


    Tsunoda wants "more commitment from Red Bull" after 2025 F1 snub
    Yuki Tsunoda hopes to receive "more commitment" from Red Bull after being passed over for a 2025 Formula 1 seat at his parent team.
     
  16. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    Please stop making excuses for the mid pack driver he is. You idiots decided to keep him lol. Deal with it and shut up LOL. Pathetic this all is.

    Perez's current F1 issues "psychological", not car issue - Marko
    Red Bull advisor Helmut Marko has shared his opinion on the difficulties plaguing Sergio Perez following the Mexican's Q1 exit at the Canadian Grand Prix.
     
  17. SS454

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    Perez's qualifying performance was worse than Stroll level of trash. Being 1 second slower than your teammate in the same car and conditions is unacceptable. I do hope signing him on his merch/sponsorship benefits over skills comes back to bite RBR in the butt.
     
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  18. william

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    Before throwing the book at Perez, we have to analyse the reason of this counter-performance.
    It may be that the team didn't have the car ready in time, shortening his Q1 window.
    Also, he may never had a clear lap, which happens very often.
    The car set up may have been the wrong choice, or the tyres fitted didn't suit the circumstances, etc ...
    I remember Raikkonen not going beyond Q1 several times, by the fault of his team (Ferrari).
    People are too keen to jump to conclusion.
    What the excuse for Ferrari having its 2 drivers thrown out of Q2 ? I would like to hear ...
    I am sure that you won't blame the drivers like you do for Perez. :(
     
  19. jpalmito

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    Well exiting Q1 isn’t exactly the same as exiting Q2..
    Nevertheless Red Bull must have good reasons of keeping him for next year..
     
  20. william

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    The reason Perez didn't go beyond Q1 could be trouble with the ERS on his car.
    But Red Bull don't want to talk about it: it's easier to blame the driver.
    I suspect Red Bull experiment settings on Perez' car, that sometimes don't work.
    Perez is a good #2, that's why they kept him.
     
  21. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

    So Marko's statement is lie about 'psych' issues lol. The stories they tell. Bottom line is Perez is not a good #2 in essence, pales compared Bottas etc. He is a mid pack driver who has not improved, utterly inconsistent. Prove me wrong or call Marko LOL :)
     
  22. Bas

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    Perez was not a bad driver before he came to RB. Quite the contrary. **** some people at the time were even saying RB should get him ''but Max doesn't want competition". Max is capable of accessing performance in his cars on good and bad days, which makes Perez look terrible because when the car is not in the window, he really, really struggles. Same as Gasly. Same as Albon. Even to a certain point, Ricciardo (though the cars that they had where much more in the window more often).

    So lets replace Perez. Who with?

    Leclerc, Lewis, Norris, Piastri, Alonso. All either refused or under contract.
    Sainz got a contract offer but he refused because he has bigger money offers.

    So whose left that'll be a genuine step up from Perez?
     
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  23. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Marko's words shouldn't be taken to the letter.
    We know that in case of counter-performance, his instict is always to blame the driver.
    It's Marko's trademark to invoke mental issues, so NO, I don't trust anything he says.
    I am even surprised people still hang on to anything he says. He has been lying so many times.
    As for proving you wrong, Perez was runner-up in the WDC last season.
    You don't get there by being lousy like you pretend.
     
  24. william

    william Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, there is Ricciardo, Tsunoda and Lawson to chose from the RB stabbles.
    Ricciardo is probably beyong his sell-by-date in terms of being #2 in a top team.
    Tsunoda looks good compared to Ricci, but that doesn't say much.
    Red Bull may miss an opportunity not promoting Lawson quick enough; now he is talking about quitting the organisation to look for other pasture. Is he as good as Piastri though ?
     
  25. Bas

    Bas Four Time F1 World Champ

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    Agreed on Ricciardo, unfortunately he's past it. I maintain it's the type of cars he just can't drive and can't adjust his driving style to them, but these are the rules so that rules him out immediately.

    Yuki, whilst clearly better than Ricci right now I'm not overly sold. Gasly and Albon were both seen as the 2nd coming (Gasly especially at the time he got the bump up to RB, many thought he could well be challenging if not beat Max. That fantasy ended quite quickly).

    I like Lawson but I highly doubt he's immediately top seat RB material. Certainly deserves a season in Toro Rosso though.

    I think Yuki of the three stands the best chance of performing better than Perez. But Yuki has also shown he's utterly incapable of doing what the team asks, which can also get expensive very quickly.
     

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