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  1. willcrook

    willcrook F1 Rookie
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    for sure, I think the Senna is one of the greats tbh
    drove one on track myself and found it a complete joy - it's just a shame that just as with ltd edition ferraris hardly any owners actually put miles on them!
     
  2. ktu

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    Ahh yes, forgot about the Valk. Only the Valk, AMG 1, Jesko maybe faster than Senna. And still I would need some track time numbers to believe it!
    Yes T50 is not designed for numbers, but on paper the power to weight ratio is so significant I have to include it.
     
  3. willcrook

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    Bahrain lap times:

    Senna GTR - 2.05.04 sec
    Valk - 2:01.01

    the Valk being over 4 seconds faster than the track only GTR version of the Senna with slicks shows just how far beyond any road legal car it is atm :)
     
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  4. ktu

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    Wow, yes that's a serious lap time from the Valk. I gotta see how the AMg 1 and Jesko compare. doubt they can get close though, didn't know the Valk was faster than Senna GTR. Thats crazy.
     
  5. Lukeylikey

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    I’m struggling to understand this lap time. As the article below shows, both the Senna and the standard SF90 have been around Autocar’s handling circuit at MIRA (I know this circuit and it is at a well-known motor industry testing facility in the UK that is fast, tight and technical) and the SF90 was marginally quicker than the Senna, despite the weight difference. This must be due to the lag-free, much higher power powertrain mated to the great balance and electronics the SF90 has. The Senna counters with less weight and more aero. Both are excellent cars (we’ve owned both).

    What is confusing is for the XX Stradale to be 3 seconds slower than the standard Senna around Hockenheim? Track to track will favour either the Senna or the SF90 but when the standard cars are so closely matched, how is it possible that the XX can be 3s slower on any track?

    A quick google of the head to head lap times shows that the Senna is also 2s slower at Mortefontaine but 4S quicker on MIRA’s wet handling circuit. The Hockenheim time was in perfect conditions so it seems that the standard SF90 is quicker in the dry and the XX is significantly slower?!
     
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  6. Cocoloco

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    #2582 Cocoloco, Jun 13, 2024
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  7. Lukeylikey

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    #2583 Lukeylikey, Jun 13, 2024
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    I’ve done 1.19s in our lowly GT3. I ‘might’ have missed out the Melbourne loop but does that still count?! :D

    Great lap from Bruno Senna in a Senna. If you add a few seconds on from the final chicane before the Melbourne loop, he would have done about 1.08 to 1.10. That is super fast for the national circuit. About 10s below my best time on what is a pretty short lap. It will be interesting to take a 992 RS there and see how much of that time I can find. Probably about 2s. That still leaves me 8s away…
     
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  8. REALZEUS

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    It 's just one test and it could be down to a variety factors (from burnt out tyres and a slippery track, to car issues and driver's performance). More tests will reveal the truth.
     
  9. LVP488

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    While the SF90XX is almost certainly faster than the "base" SF90, my understanding (from undisclosed sources :p) is that Ferrari is struggling to improve the lap times even over the 296... so the differences are probably only marginal (except from the Fiorano lap time, which is made up by Ferrari and probably pure BS), and then some particular conditions can also reverse the order.
     
  10. Cocoloco

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    It's well done. The dream lines are perfect as they add the line on rear wing.
    I am curious why so many are not ordering the racing seat - they now make the center stripe in color on the seat back and the seat in colors.
     
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  11. Cocoloco

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    Ferrari can't be made up, video hot lap.
    These factories know thru SIM training - achieve without fully pushing it / spinning.
    Remember the Stig days where the driver would take laps and spin to find out it's true potential. Much more fun to watch.
     
  12. AlamoPoke

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    I’m doing the new lightweight racing seat. I’m a fan of the carbon racing seat in my SF90AF, and I’m excited for the new seat. I’m also doing orange stitching and accents on the racing seat to tie into the flash orange livery. Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  13. LVP488

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    Where are the video hot laps of the Fiorano times ???
     
  14. Cocoloco

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    Nice - doing same in yellow.
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  15. AlamoPoke

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  16. LVP488

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    Still; only lightly convincing, on so many grounds...
    - which independent authority was controlling the timing was fair ?
    - even if the timing was fair, who was controlling the car was not adjusted in ways not accessible to regular customers ?
    Unlike some Porsche, the Ferrari are not fully adjustable to suit a specific track - however, the factory could certainly tune a car to improve its performance, beyond what is available to customers.
    There was the case with the 488 - and I love the 488, owning one and being completely convinced of its level of performance (except for the brakes, that I upgraded ;) ) : to achieve the best lap times, Ferrari fitted the 488 with the 458 Speciale tires, which where not homologated (due to load ratings) - that was before the Pista, that made suitable tires available.
     
  17. AlamoPoke

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    I’m super excited to take delivery of the car, and I’m not sweating a few seconds here or there on a track. I love my SF90AF — and I expect that the XX car will just be a more exciting, engaging example of a car that I have been extremely happy with. No one car is perfect, no one car fits every person. Find what you like, drive and enjoy! We owners are all fortunate to be in the position of having these discussions on the merits of these aspirational cars.
     
  18. LVP488

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    Btw, I just realized that in my post above, "where" was written instead of "were" - sorry for that :eek:
     
  19. Cocoloco

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    Agree. Ferrari XX limited / spirited machine.
    Looking forward to going in the garage with an XX car inside.
     
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  20. REALZEUS

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    The lap was performed in front of a press cohort. Easily verifiable then.
     
  21. xskier

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    Important to understand the tracktime and datas:
    Sf90 xx was almost on pair with the Senna to the Spitzkehre, after fast Parabolika with 287kmh (289kmh in training). Sf90 xx lost almost 3 seconds to the Senna in the infield, that is due to the 300kg weight difference…
    Thats the whole storie, Driver thougt the alleignement could have been also a bit better for a better time..
    Topspeed was the fastest ever messured.
     
  22. JagShergill

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    Congrats and well said !
     
  23. Cocoloco

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    Lotus E - 3700 pounds 2000hp - curious if it's any faster.
    XX times will be over when the F hyper car shows up but will it beat Senna Valkyrie.
     
  24. hs355

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