LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

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It was an electronics issue, not an engine one. But these things (engine failures too) happen to all teams; it 's part of racing.

 

I agree, the 296 is amazing, and the best part to me is the civilized nature that hides the bat poop crazy beast within! My grandma can drive it, then hand it off to Leclerc to force you to brace your soul. I still prefer driving your SF90 though, even if ever so slightly. Both marvels of modern engineering!!!

good to see you are enjoying your cars G! Hope to see you soon.

kindest regards.

 

le maaaaaans baby.

 

Feel like this has to be tapped into for the road cars, naming at least.

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F250 engine has won Le Mans twice in a row !
Impressive.

 

Just got home form Le Mans. What a great performance. I was thinking about the change to V6 from V12. I don’t think it will be the problem many think. We have a LaF so I’d be more than happy if everyone hated the V6, leaving the LaF as the only V12 DCT hyper car and the resultant boost in value would be just fine by me.

But I think a double Le Mans winning engine that is 24h race proven to be powerful and tractable brings a top level of nobility (I use that word because it was used in conjunction with the V12 earlier in this thread). Think on this; the last time Ferrari won Le Mans pre 2023, was with the 250LM, whose predecessors were the 250P and 275P, both also LM winning cars. They were the first time the V12 engine had been used in a Ferrari mid-engined car. At the same time, Ferrari’s F1 responsibilities were handled by the 246P. Also a mid-engined car. Guess what engine it had. Yep, a V6.

I certainly understand the value people put on V12 engines, but they are not what lends nobility. Otherwise an AMG-derived V12 twin turbo fitted to an Aston Martin would also be considered noble, and I don’t believe it really is.

Seeing those 499Ps circulate La Sarthe for the grueling Le Mans race and emerge victorious for the second year in a row, I can’t consider them to be anything less than noble. Which means the engine powering them carries the same nobility with it.

Tremendous performance and wonderful to see Ferrari doing so well in the sports car world. Big shout to Robert Kubica in the AF Corse yellow 499 P who drove two incredible stints and could well have beaten one or even both of the works cars if it were not for a brake issue very late on. Great race, a classic Le Mans victory. And like the 250P, 275P and 250 LM in ‘63, ‘64 and ‘65, could the 499P deliver a similar hatrick in 2025? Don’t bet against it!

 

Thanks for your input !
All valid points I have to say.

 

The nobility of a V12 engine is inherent in its manufacture, its number of moving parts, its perfect balance, the strength of its motor shaft... and especially to its NA definition. Ferrari has ^produced the best V12s in the history of the automobile, and it is only Cosworth that presents a competitive know-how... not to mention the BMW V12 fitted in the McLaren F1.
An engine with turbines removes all the nobility from the engine. The V8 of the 288 and the F 40, although functional
with a wastegaste are not noble engines, although fabulous in terms of sensations and performance. We can go down a path that systematically legitimizes what Ferrari does... But in my opinion it does us a disservice in the end, we enthusiasts.
This V6 is just a basic 6-cylinder of small displacement, much less technologically advanced than that of the MC 20 for example. So yes, it's reworked, but in the end you still end up with a V6 e vulgar turbines to stuff it in a hypercar, where a V12 gets its power through natural suction. But hey, as there's a cavallino on the front hood, it becomes good... Ferrari knows that many are ready to eat all the snakes because the badge is there... Let's not be naïve !!!

 

Nobility? If it has a Ferrari badge then that's "noble" enough for anyone.

Reading this thread is like Groundhog Day, jeez

 

I dunno. Every time I hear V12 I think of an engineering masterpiece. Every time I hear turbo V6 I think of a plastidipped turbo Infiniti G35 that a xanax dealer owns and tells everyone he street races with.


Edit: It's summer in Wisconsin and I may or may not have had a beer or 10 while typing that.

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You have some weird notions about engines, mixing nobility (whatever that may mean) with technology in your head.

That's just factually erroneous!

 

I wonder if Ferrari are look at making more F250 now. The amount of buyers that will want this piece of history will be bigger than ever before

 

They will keep it limited, as they should.

 

of Course but 700 - 900 is still limited but more than all the other Halo models bar the F40 of course

 

Conjecture...

 

Well they have already shown the playbook 499 coupes 199 apertas.

 

That Ferrari V6 just won LeMans for a second year in a row--so don't trash the new masterpiece.

 

And with twin turbo--so there's that.

 

what is the source, the base of this statement?

 

iirc it's from their financial presentation sheets ?

 

do you have a link to it, can you post?

 

Talk to the engineers...

 

You say the V6 hybrid ERS AWD 163 (499P) is simpler than the Nettuno, what do you mean specifically?

 

Did they do a V6 because that's what they decided was the superior platform or because regulations called for it?

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