Negative response to the 12 cilindri design

I think I figured out now what you are saying. So you think those bulbs are so short longitudinally that they look like belonging to smaller tyres?

I assume it may look like that from certain angles, but given that those bumbs are for tyre extreme position only (vertical movement), so the form makes sense. The car's low straight shoulderline gives this rather unique visual effect.

 

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Can't see anything wrong with the design here...

 

I also can't see anything wrong with the design when I look at the images of the configurator and the ones released by Ferrari which are super photoshopped.
However, a lot changes when I look at a normal photograph like the one below.
That's why I'll only be able to say anything more concrete concerning my opinion about the design after seeing the 12 C coupé in person.



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Do you really think that the 335mm tire fits into this small bulb? Vertical hub 300mm or more?

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12 Cilindri has 315 mm tyres.

Anyway, I don't see any problem with the design. The bulbs provide mandatory space for tyres, nothing more, nothing less.

Please consider these:

- Suspension geometry causes tyre to move a bit inwards when in maximum upwards position
- Tyre thread is much narrower than the sides
- Proper empty space has to be left between fender and tyre to allow stones and other garbage to circulate also in extreme upwards position
- Additional space is required in fenders for protective layer and sound insulation

 

Likely because the angle, colors and shadows hide many of the talking points. Lots of cars look good in the dark theoretically.

 

Pic looks like the car had some body damage.

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Sorry, but this is nonsense. If the car would do such an extreme move upwards, everything on the rear end of the car is destroyed.
It is a useless design gimmick, nothing else. And not a very nice one in my eyes.

 

Aren’t most of the curves, creases, lines etc on a car body for design? Just as well complain that the crease in the door is not functional therefore silly. Or the shape of the door sill. If you don’t like the hump or haunch that’s fine. After all, it seems nobody dislikes the function of the car, just the design.




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I see what you are struggling with from this picture. I think it’s the flat color in flat lighting. It causes many of the details to disappear. I have a feeling you will like the car more in person; but I understand your struggles, as I also am not 100% sure of the design, but I have not seen it in person, and I’ve learned over many years, you really have to see it in person. I still wish the design ethos was forward looking, but that’s not what they chose. I will say reading the literature on the car, it really does look like they tried to improve many areas. The proof will be in person and also in the driving.


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Yes. Above pic is a bit problematic with the lighting like many other still shots from the configurator. The left rear corner is a bit better in the below shot:

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The fender bump can be seen in two ways (depending on the viewer), but there is definitely not a dent in the bumb in the real car. The bumb has convex curvature only.

 

I suggest visiting your car and measuring the distance from top of the tyre to the ceiling of fender. At least in front engined cars the rear suspension travel is bigger than in front, because passengers and luggage cause load towards the rear.

Also, I haven't spoken about such extreme movements that you are now referring to. What I have tried to emphasize is that there has to be lots of extra space in the fender.

Notice also, that all these pictures are displaying the car unloaded.

 

12 Cilindri has active suspension, hasn’t it? So the the difference between unloaded and fully loaded is a margin, tends to Zero.

 

12 Cilindri still has MagneRide suspension which is adaptive, but not active like Multimatic. But otherwise you might be right.

 

Ferrari calls the suspension in the Dodici Cilindri "semi-active dampening" - this is to say, it is not active like in the Purosangue; it is an adaptation of the Magnaride with which we are already familiar.

 

The bump above rear tyres is not really bigger than in 812. It is just shaped differently. In theory, it must be an inch taller, though.
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Jerry, I agree with you, seeing the 12 C coupe in person from the different angles is the only serious way there is of evaluating the design.
With previous models my dealer has let me see them first hand. I’ll ask them soon when they will expect to receive the first 12 C coupe.

 

I look forward to your opinion, I think you will see many more details than that picture shows. The picture is really not very good. And I think these cars are about the subtle details, not just the basic shapes.

 

Won’t age well at all in my view. But some always want the new and will get no matter what.

 

I agree with MalibuGu in saying “The rear design is an effort from the designers to echo the rear design of the SF90.”
I think if I build one, I will definitely opt for the Panoramic Roof and maybe a black exterior to eliminate the contrast of the top rear
Panel and any odd angles. However, I have to depart from ROSSO FUOCO, my favorite color on my 812 SF.
I understand, the 12C is futuristic, but I still prefer the interior cluster and the buttons of the 812 SF VS the cluster of the 12C; busy and fully digitalized
cluster and tiny buttons at the steering wheel and center console. In my opinion, 812 SF is the last modern classic V12 Ferrari.
That being said, I have to see the 12C in person to appreciate the evolution.

 

I’m keeping the 812 SF and the F8.

Still looking forward to the 12C and 296 GTB…


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Those are the ugliest wheels to ever come from Ferrari.
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Wheel design inspired by Kia

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Because they are black and silver?


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