Thanks, shows the lengths Ferrari is going to, clearly that image has been heavily edited, not an authentic photo at all. @Newjoint Once these cars starting showing up it will be interesting which way the tide turns on orders, huge car, very quiet/tonally muted, and the looks
Ferrari and Flavio Manzoni consciously chosed to start a new direction with the design of the 12 C, whose rear part breaks all references from previous models and takes us to the world of aeronautics and science fiction. Therefore, Ferrari has to be prepared for the fact that there will be many long-term, more traditional customers and Ferraristas who do not identify with this new design era. This doesn't worry Ferrari at all as there are many potential buyers who would like to have the latest Ferrari model.
It may not worry Ferrari but dealers are going to have to work to get the sales- they are not going to be sold out from the get go- by now typical Ferraris have been sold out for 2+ years. As for me I looked forward to the next greatest Ferrari turning over every 2+ years. Not anymore. $500K+ now buys you a quieter , odder looking, heavier GT with black flippers which make the 458 mustache look positively perfect. I’m all for an air brake but make it a real one with real significant down force not one for show. The current one is akin functionally to those fake diffusers seen on Mustangs. This car doesn’t break any new ground technologically, only cosmetic new ground(reminds me of people who undergo cosmetic surgery and look like a science experiment gone bad). Yes it’s marginally faster on track compared to the SF but tires alone can account for it. Let’s hope the VS version is better but I’m skeptical Ferrari can pull another rabbit out of a hat without adding some assist or subtracting substantial weight. Sent from my iPhone using FerrariChat
How many times can you repeat the quotation above? You're fine, because this is just an obsession, although this topic is already full of maniacs who hate 12 Cylinders, now they already hate the rear original double spoiler.
I could not have said it any better myself. This is the best ‘keeping it real’ take on the 12C yet. Bravo. But no bravo for you on this one Ferrari!
Ferrari literally just published a story saying that because the SF90 has a bit more horsepower than the 12 cylinder, and it is no longer top dog, they decided to lean into its diminished status and not make it as aggressive and sporting as its predecessor. In other words they almost literally came out and said that the Ferrari 12 cylinder cars used to be for alphas and now they’re for betas. What a clown show. Exactly what the world DIDN’T need … woke manifesto running rampant at Ferrari. Get a job Ferrari.
Try to look at it this way: it's 2024 and they just launched a new production model with a 9500 RPM, 800+ bhp NA V12 with no electrification. We should applaud Ferrari for this, not castigate them. Are there things I wish they'd done differently? Sure. I wish it was smaller and lighter. I wish they went with buttons instead of touch screens. Most of all, I wish they'd chosen a less polarizing design. To my dismay, it's not growing on me (the opposite, actually) so unless my opinion changes when I see one in person, I will likely pass on the car. I'm pretty bummed about that. But I am so very happy that Ferrari is making this car. I hope they make more like it.
As obsession and mania are psychiatric disorders this means that many of us are already going crazy with the 12 Cilindri coupé.
Doesn't bother me in the least if it keeps that glorious engine in production a little longer.* Styling preferences aside, what could they really do to improve it? Lighter, smaller, sure. Three pedals? Yes please, but that ain't happening. A brand new V12 that revs to 11k? Absolutely I'd take that. But this engine is a masterpiece already. Electrification? Personally, I'd rather not. I'm not saying it's perfect. But I'm still glad they're making it. I just wish I liked the styling. --- * Yes, I know there's the PS, but if the only Ferrari V12 coming off the line is in an SUV, that would be pretty tragic if you ask me.
I think Ferrari should have designed a all new V12. Run it it bio fuel if needs be. If Cosworth can do a V12 and a V16 N/A Ferrari have no excuses
They only make engines, and Ferrari is a much bigger industry with many more constraints. Unfortunately, many people don’t understand that. A lot of manufacturers use external companies for their engines and other components, but Ferrari designs everything in-house. That’s why I respect Ferrari so much. When I see Bugatti or Aston Martin turning to Cosworth for their engines because they don’t have the technology or capacity in-house, it doesn’t justify their prices. With the transition to hybridization, everyone complained, but now a Revuelto is revered, and no one complains about the electric part anymore. Ferrari strives to still make V12s without hybridization and gets penalized for it. I think they should do like the others: V12 biturbo with hybridization since no one cares about the purity of a naturally aspirated V12 without electricity anymore
You are currently being looked at with looks that could kill for saying V12 and turbo in a sentence relating to Ferrari. Those words do not go together for 99% of Ferrari clients/fans
I understand, so we should all appreciate what Ferrari continues to strive for by offering a naturally aspirated V12 without any electrification. There’s no need for a marketing campaign to announce a new V12; Ferrari doesn’t need that, unlike others. The V12 must remain pure for as long as possible, with V8 and V6 hybrids taking care of performance. If you want pure emotion, go for the 12-cylinder; if you want extreme performance, go for the next hypercar. That’s the true strength of Ferrari: there’s something for everyone while respecting history and creating everything in-house in Maranello. Hats off to them.
Disagree- true Ferrari customers with the means to actually buy one still want an ICE V12 and not some Duracell ********
Precisely- At least they have the balls to produce a full ICE V12 instead of cow-towing to this insipid "hybrid" ********- the styling may be questionable but at least it's a proper Ferrari and not some ****ing batterymobile-
The first picture is of a rear top view of an all-electric Ferrari Alto Angel and was published in February 2024, long before the launch of the 12 C. This is not a design by Flavio Manzoni or his team but by Alexandre Bernini, the digital automotive designer better known as alexandre.cgartist on social media. Interestingly, we are able to glimpse a delta wing in the rear section of the Alto Angel, similar to that of the 12 C coupé. If we remove the rear window of the 12 C coupé and paint this entire surface in the color of the car, second picture, the similarities with the rear of the Alto Angel become more pronounced. Previously we had already seen that the rear of Pininfarina's hydrogen-powered Enigma Concept has many similarities with that of the 12 C coupé. Now we also see that something similar happens with Alexandre Bernini's electric Concept Alto Angel. So one of two, either the current trend in Italian sports car design is the world of aeronautics and science fiction or, otherwise, we begin to believe that all these designers have lack of imagination and are imitating each other. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Your bottom is you don't like the styling. Which comes down to only Manzoni could screw up an unassisted NA V12, +800hp and 9500 redline Ferrari. From a pure business standpoint, the design team is not delivering. A change is desperately needed and it is quite obvious. However, the brand is so strong that I bet you part with the cash when you see the car. You will convince yourself that you loved it all the while but just didn't know it. Unfortunately, that's not the way to acquire a supercar.
Subjective, of course, but I actually like most of Manzoni's designs. Some more than others, but this is the first that really threw me. Perhaps. Though it's rare for me respond to a car this way and later learn to love it. Not without precedence, but very rare. Perhaps this will be true for some, but don't worry about me. I know what I like. If I don't genuinely love it, I will start to patiently search for a very special 812 or F12. I can think of worse problems to have...
It’s not like you can’t get a great F12 or 812, near their MSRP. And this car is what 100k more? People keep asking me if I’ll get a new F car. I’m like why?
Well, personally, I was excited about spec'ing one myself and getting access to the Comp engine. But, like you say, there are some really special 812s and F12s out there. So if the 12C as a complete package doesn't speak to you...
