LaFerrari replacement: v12, no hybrid, less power than SF90stradale?

I think you can pretty much assume the car has been revealed in the pictures with lighter camo.

Corvette revealed the ZR1 yesterday, even though the car isn't 100% finished yet, and the main reason they did that is that you can only get so far in testing aerodynamics with camo on. You can bet Ferrari is thinking the same. The ugly black appendages hinder the final testing of the car's aero, and the only way to really see the results is getting rid of everything that isn'tnecessary, or worse, that gets in the way of performance. Sure, when the camo is off we will see all the nice aesthetic details, including the ones that make optical illusions intended to make the car look more organic and "voluptuous" than it in fact is. But the car is what you see in those latest camo pics, like it or not. I think it's going to remind many of the F40.

 

I like it. I prefer F40 over F50 and Enzo over LaFerrari. So I am totally ready to love it as boxy square thing


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I was assuming you get yourself a nice wind tunnel for discreetly testing aerodynamics. Just as you've done with all previous models, including LaFerrari, etc.

I *hope* the car is still wearing some fake panels, although with Ferrari everything is possible. Some weeks ago I would have assured they would not let an inch of the final design be seen before reveal. Now I'm not so sure.

As for the F40 inspiration, if this is it... ugh! I'd prefer they left the F40 theme for an Icona, it would feel less compromised.

Or... maybe all this brings a proper name at last: F80 LM

 

Technically speaking CFD simulations and wind tunnel testing does not take care of it all - in fact as far as I know Ferrari's tunnel is only for 65% scale models, plus they had a bit of trouble with the new tunnel a while back, adding to the Scuderia's woes at the time. Add that to the fact that this isn't F1, and a road car's homologation is a lot more complicated and a lot more "set in stone", you don't want to get this stuff wrong. Therefore full size, on the road testing to get the car right is much more important to them than a few spoilers here and there for a car whose entire run is guaranteed to be sold out in the pre-order phase. There is no replacement for real world testing, no matter how advanced technology gets.

As for discretion, if you look at previous launches of several of their cars, most of them had videos which are not renders. These had to be filmed somewhere. You need a hell of a good, trusting relationship with car magazines and photographers and the sort not to leak things beforehand, but in today's social media world where any stronzo with a phone is now a spy photographer, it is inevitable that a car being tested pretty much anywhere can be snapped. Don't forget, until the other day Maranello was a little city outside of most people's way, and the factory had little concern that driving test cars out on the street would generate headlines anywhere. I'd say even up to Laferrari test mule days you could say that. Now things are different. In any case the car is only 100% revealed once the official photos come out, so we all have to wait until october comes - unless a leak happens from within like the Purosangue. It's the way of today's world.

Finally, I never said anything about an F40 "theme", I just said it would probably reming many people of that car as it has several shared elements. The Ferrari hypercars usually push boundaries, they don't rest on the company's laurels (despite so many of the comments here seeming like they would prefer it to be so). The Icona series was sort of created for that, so yes, if they wanted to do a real F40 "hommage" that would be the way. Having said that the 12 Cilindri pulled a lot from the Daytona so what the hell do I know...

 

Aero validation is done on test tracks, not on the road. Publics roads are useful for heat management validation though (stop and go traffic and all that).

 

I tried looking up info on the McLaren P1 replacement (P18) and found ZERO spy photos or even a photo of a car testing. I know the car is being shown to customers in late Sept so it is “done”… I am just curious how they keep their new car so under wraps and Ferrari is allegedly just putting their new car out in the wild for everyone to see?

 

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Wait !
Looks like a full red car under the camo ?
Did Manzoni have a revelation ?

 

Maybe the way to look at it, is that it is heavily influenced by the 499P - something they said they would do in terms of technology transfer (I.e. V6 hybrid plus whatever else they want to use) and that now includes styling, which in itself is a technical feature because of aero. The design just happens to also reference the F40, rather than mimic it. And as for the 499P, why not? Ferrari winning at LM first (and now second) time out for 50 years is a seminal moment. The last time they won at Le Mans predates all the hypercars.

You can’t celebrate that with an Icona or a 296 ‘Speciale’ version. The very next hypercar, in planning at the same time as the 499P programme, is an obvious direction and theme for the new car. The GTO was originally going to race (I seem to remember) and spawned the hypercar idea, F40 was about lightweight, high power and true race car for the road (an antithesis to the 959), the F50 used an F1 engine, mounted like an F1 engine, the Enzo returned to more traditional construction but introduced F1 transmission and more electronics, the LaFerrari debuted KERS from F1 and was Ferrari’s first road-going hybrid in the hybrid era of F1 racing. The F250 taking the V6 hybrid format from both WEC and F1 plus huge aero, per the 499P, you could argue is fully in keeping with how they have managed the hypercar line so far?

 

Regarding showing the car, what have they shown, really? They have shown us that the profile reflects the lines from the gift. They knew that would get into the open and the mule therefore tells us little more than that. We have not seen the face of either front or rear, we have not seen much of the apertures that are cleverly hidden by the wrap, we don’t know about moving aero except for the wing.

There are also some elements that don’t look completely finished. For example, the wing mirrors. I’m not certain that will be the final design. Which also means the front element might be ‘smoothed’ in the final version, perhaps.

What you can tell is that this car is wide, very low, possesses fantastic stance and is heavily influenced by aero. I think it will be good.

 

When is it finally coming out? I can’t wait any longer!

 

Well if you believe some here this is the finish car just wrapped with a few intakes/ vents covered. I disagree

 

I think a realistic expectation would be a presentation in the fall. It’s possible to present at this year’s last Ferrari Racing Days event?

 

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Nice pic by FChatter Derek. You really get a sense of how rounded the body side is, especially at the door, rather than the boxiness of the car as implied by the front fenders, the front fenders seemingly acting like like oversized vertical end plates, or strakes

In the pic above posted by @maha (just as an example, as there are many other pics also) can see taillights, reflectors, door handle, and even the licence plate holder. I struggle to understand what you think will change between these and the official release of the car.

 

It has to be at or adjacent to Finali Mondali at Imola in Oct, right? Everyone on here says Oct reveal and you have tons of overlap with the buying pool at that event, plus it matches the racing theme of the F250 origin story (499P/F1 tech).

Seems crazy they would do it as a separate event at another place/time. I would argue the one thing the customers don't have is a lot of spare time.

 

Private unveiling to owners in Maranello early October and world presentation in fanali mondiali like every year Ferrari have a surprise because it’s the most important event for the brand.

 

Testarossa was one example of how Ferrari bit by bit ‘undressed’ a camo’d car before its official presentation. In this case it was like a black coating that they seemed to just let wear away.
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Based off Derek's
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Do I believe some of the shape and lines will be in the final 100%. But this is also far from the finished car there is still a lot to be revealed. some of that will change the look from the render. I hold a master of Design so I trust what I see and I know there will be some surprises but I whole heartedly do not believe it will look very much like the render. I am interested in the mesh boxes on either end of the diffuser though. The render to me looks like a car with a heap of bolt on boy racer aero not a real Hyper class car

 

You can clearly see the fully detailed reflector and proximity sensors integrated into the molded diffuser assembly. And, yes, the whole diffuser assembly is protruding behind the rear of the car, nothing different to some other Ferraris.

You can even note that the area of the diffuser directly behind the tire is not really flowing under body air but is just venting cooling air into a low pressure area and so is covered by a stamped mesh grille to hide any unsightly innards showing, same as all the area above the diffuser.

If you’re put off by the dazzle camo wrap either lifting around the edges of the strakes (used not for boy racer effects, but actual aero benefits) or because it was poorly applied, know that the intended effect was not perfection, just to camouflage the car and distract people from making out the car’s final shape. The camo is obviously having its intended effect.

 

This is the car. The only part not final are the rims. If you check the derek.photography 's Instagram page you can see also the brand new carbon rims - final rims for the F250.

The car you can see is covered by a thin layer of tape. There is no camouflage. Zero. This is the final result with a design language a bit far from what we are used to see from Ferrari. It's a sort of McLaren Senna's approach: very technical and extremely aerodynamical. Far from the Icona Series Daytona SP3 and also far from the clearness and pureness of the line typical of LaFerrari and Enzo. The key is the active aerodynamics.
it will be interesting see the use of the body paint because there will be many parts in exposed carbon fiber and black blades - 12Cilindri new language. In this car there will be a large use of black: rims, roof, headlights blade, side mirrors, sill, fuel cap covers, rear wing pillars, extractor. The painted areas will be a sort of floating bubble over technical parts.




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Thanks a lot for your input !
Roof again ?
My goodness this will never end..

 

Yes. Black Roof but engine cover painted. This car is defined by a technical-extreme beauty. She is not a work of art. She is not a sculpture. It's a technical car. Nothing more nothing less.
I'm not disappointed, but I expected something more harmonious and in line with Ferrari. Especially after seeing the Vision GT styling exercise


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